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I might be wrong but a lot of it's wikipedia page looks like this city was completely reconstructed from the ground up in said period of time that makes it too exceptional for this comparison and not a usual occurence even in China. It became a major hub of China-EU trade upping it's importance and neccesitating a boost in infrastructural efficiency while it's population effectively doubled. A great move all around tho.
A nation's big construction projects tend to happen when labour is at its cheapest.
21st century Laozi
What's up with all the China hype on Lemmy? These projects are impressive, no doubt, but their cost in terms of human rights violations are pretty high. I'm speaking generally, I don't have the specifics with regards to this subway system. Either way it's not really comparable to a project like this in a country like Canada imo.
Pentagon wasted tax money on facebook bots to convince people in East Asia that the chinese covid vaccine was poison, so no one is really buying the "China human rights abuses are what allow China to succeed" idea anymore.
Especially since you can just as easily point to Japan's infrastructure projects which achieved the same thing under US supervision post WWII, meaning said human rights violations aren't even a supposed cost if there's less evidence of it that of UAE literally pirating in immigrants to build their lavish towers and stadiums.
Of which the US fully supports, so this just goes back to the blame game of who is worse.
Yes, China has some shady ideas of what is considered acceptable behavior and work output from citizens, but the point is that they are using it to rapidly grow their infrastructure, unlike NA which take a decade for a single transit system to get approved all while car OEMs are pumping out dumpsterfire vehicles of whose parts are overwhelmingly made in China.
We donβt have to agree with Chinaβs politics to appreciate that they did a positive thing. And we shouldnβt have to emulate their politics to get a thing done. We should be able to do it
Some countries want to sell the image of "China is the absolute evil", thus from this logic everything "good" must equal something very evil.
The speed and size is impressive, yes.
But I doubt the quality.
"Tofu-dreg project" (Chinese: θ±θ ζΈ£ε·₯η¨) is a phrase used in the Chinese-speaking world to describe a very poorly constructed building, sometimes called just "Tofu buildings". The phrase is notably used referring to buildings that collapsed in the 2008 Sichuan earthquake disaster,[1][2][3][4][5][6] and the Bangkok Audit Office skyscraper collapse initiated by aftershocks from the March 2025 Myanmar earthquake over 1000km away, which was constructed with poor construction techniques and materials
Lemmy is more international than Reddit, so you'll see more diverse perspectives
What helps is that the aumomotive/gas industry lobby there isnt so effective.
lol, as if it's all magic?
Does the sinkhole caused by slapdash construction feature on the map?
How about the shed where 4 people died during construction?
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202109/11/WS613ba6e7a310efa1bd66ebdc.html
We have had industrial accidents and deaths as well... We may have better safety standards but going from no subway system to a massive full city system more robust than Western countries in a fraction of the time is pretty remarkable.
Digging tunnels is dangerous. Especially if you dont have a century of experience to build off of.
Also especially if you don't care that much about your workers safety. If human lives are just a bunch of statistics to you, things become a lot easier
There are countries where that is absolutely true, look at any major construction project in the gulf states, and counties where that is much less true.
At least during my time in China, I saw more workers wearing PPE and taking measures such as using water to stop particulate matter from getting into the air than in Korea and way more than Vietnam and other developing countries. I understand it was very different 20 years ago.
I don't have data, but I would be quite surprised if China had significantly more injuries per hour worked in construction than Korea.
This is like the 2 extremes. China with terrible human rights violation and sloppy construction and cities where even thinking about mass public transit is akin to killing puppies.
Talking about Chinaβs human rights issues right away is very strange. Nobody does this if someone mentions a US project.
I wonder why
Because the US has no human rights violations?
/s
Doesn't Toronto have the tram lines east west or trolley busses and buses with cheap flat price through ticketing for each journey?
The cables over and underground run from the cheap, green hydroelectric power?
If it's cheap, regular, reliable with through ticketing, it's good public transport, not bad.
Orange vs Apple! Who will win!
That being said I do wish every country would have a better public infrastructure.
Just out of curiosity if you do have recent research in economy on the impact of subway, tram, bus, bike lanes, etc on both productivity AND happiness, please do share. I'm already convinced but I'd love to learn more on how and why.
boiling down different countries having different things as one of them 'winning' and 'beating us' always fills me with nuclear levels of contrarianism. can tychus findlay from starcraft have a lit cigar in his mouth? NO, because china doesnt allow smoking in media. Guess we're beating them!
While your comment is very amusing, accessibility and congestion are pretty high up on the list of things that make a place "nice." A deep Investment into public transit is very likely to have a positive impact on an inhabitant's happiness.
(Incidentally, it's ironic that you have leapt to the conclusion that one of these cities is "winning" while nothing of the sort is stated in the post, only then to take objection to people drawing such conclusions.)