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Allegations of sexual crimes should always be taken seriously and addressed immediately, however, that's not the same as taking the words of the victims words as the truth. A due process has to be mandatory and proof must remain a non negotiable requirement to arrest and punish someone. That's the one and only way justice can be served.
Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80
Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac
Here's the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/
—————————other Epstein Information
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.
Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo
Epstein’s Ex Says He Boasted About Being a Mossad Agent https://share.google/jLMGahKlCzfV1RHZq Epstein and Israel both hired lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who says he's building 'legal dream team' to defend Israel in court and on internationally | The Times of Israel https://share.google/Lb9hDOduBWG4Elpid
Epstein Docs: https://ia600705.us.archive.org/21/items/epsteindocs/
Epstein Bribes/Payments: 1 BILLION+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7IrEi-ybzs
—————————other Trump information:
Here's trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY
Trump's promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02 “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”
Trump's modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/
A good summary of Trump-Epstein timeline: https://thepresidential.medium.com/we-have-been-gaslit-about-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-for-four-years-fbda67c20f75
• Much of this info can also be found on: https://theepsteindocs.com/
Feel free to do your part and spread this info around so it is never “lost”.
You can't just convict someone on vibes
No you can't. You can however refuse to give them a job because they keep making inappropriate remarks about women and multiple women have accused them of sexual abuse, rape and harassment.
EXACTLY. You don't need to "trust", you can look at the comments that were consistently made in regards to women, the vile behavior he engaged in, the known relationships, and the week court cases, i.e the evidence that was there in plain sight but people chose to ignore
Fortunately pretty much everyone agrees
Why can't we just rely on common sense instead of jumping to massive generalizations regarding someones gender?
Trump has been covered in red flags regarding his treatment of women for years. E. Jean Carroll? Stormy Daniels? Katie Johnson? The Hollywood Access Tape?
I'm a little anxious that if Me Too blows up again it may have the opposite effect intended, and instead deflect attention away from Trump as people argue over the movement itself.
I mean, if anyone without Trump's money and influence had this many accusations leveled against them, you can be pretty sure they'd be behind bars by now. It's not that the women aren't being trusted, it's that the entire fucking system is broken. Or more accurately, is designed to serve the rich and powerful.
Trust but verify.
While in theory this is a good idea, I have first-hand experience with people grouping together and accusing me of doing things with another (at the time) underage individual, trying to get me kicked out of school/smear my name/see me imprisoned/etc...
The issue? The other underage individual they said I was doing things with, was female. Me, I'm gay as fuck. Which was made pretty obvious during questioning. Also upon examination with the other individual being tested and questioned separately... Suprise, they found that, indeed, both testing and questioning showed the accused activities were completely unfounded. All parties that made these false claims admitted that they were falsified shortly thereafter. I could have sued them, and their families (since they too were underage) - this could have actually ruined my life, these things should be punished, these traumas compensated - but I decided against it, just wanting the situation to go away. It was an awful experience, and I still have trust issues; one of the accusers was friends with me. At least, so I thought.
Now, that's not to say 'oh they are lying' in this case, but you can't just blanket believe either side. You need facts, proof, evidence. Imagine if I were to make these claims about you - suddenly you are interested in evidence and due process.
(I won't be replying to any replies to this comment - don't want to tear open that scar any more than I already have writing this)
Because the list takes the onus away from women needing to speak out. We shouldn't require victims to expose themselves if we have other evidence.
For the record: numerous women have spoke out against Trump for sexual misconduct while underaged. All the named ones are from Miss America or Miss Universe competitions. A couple of Epstein's victims have filed charges against Trump too but those remain anonymous.
"At least" twenty-five women have publicly accused him and some have gone to court - here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
Yeah but when victims do expose themselves, it'd be nice if a bunch of online shit heads didn't constantly chant 'women are liars! They only want money!"
your also forgetting death threats from magats, that forced one to drop lawsuit against him.
Because people lie. What we can do is to not victim shame so women would be less afraid to come forward. This alone would help deter a would be attacker
Agreed.
It would also help out men and boys to have a safe environment to come forward with their claims without facing abuse from society/police.
I am all for seeing trump and anyone else in that list behind bars, but this kind of bullshit thinking goes nowhere.
At least 26 separate women have accused Trump of SA over the course of the last 50 years, many of them before he entered politics. One of them even got a civil court to find as fact that he committed rape.
Just how many witnesses do you need here? Would another 26 be enough? How about a thousand?
We believe them, we just need to prove it.
People believe in magic sky daddy, im still waiting for proof there too. To be clear, if proof appears im obeying sky daddy so hard.
It's not just about trump tho and it's about concrete evidence. The list is yk about getting a list of all the perpetrators.
First hand witness testimony is evidence though.
And fwiw we've already got it. Not to mention he's already been found guilty of rape in a court of law if we want to go through the whole "sexual assault means rape and the judge said so" thing. "He's a rapist" is a statement of fact, even if the cowards at ABC News don't want to say so again.
Well, yes but it's not just about trump tho. Like the point of the list would be to get more names of more people. And that's not even mentioning how most of the epstein list stuff was less about holding pedophiles responsible but about trump building and profiting off of a conspiracy narrative.
I think people do.believe them, it's just the way justice systems work. It has to be proved without shadow of a doubt.
What do you wanna bet that, within the next month, a right wing talking head uses that phrase to defend Ghislaine Maxwell?
Nobody who matters (Trumps fanbase, Trumps voters, Trumps politicans and Trumps supreme court) care whether he's guilty or convicted.
But the Epstein list is something very central to the Trump campagin narrative and thus if he's on there, that could cause major issues between Trump and his fanbase/voters.
