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[–] tym@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago

It's not a bubble, it's something way worse - "the reduction of the employee cost burden"

AI exists to allow wealth to access skill without allowing skill to access wealth.

Hyper-local renaissance is the only answer. Get to your village and out of the city while you still can.

[–] Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 95 points 5 days ago (9 children)

And yet, the MBAs continue to pump money into it like AI doesn't fail to provide any value in 80% of their shoehorned implementations.

[–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's wild how many good uses of this tech there are, and how it's mostly implemented in asinine ways, instead. It's great for brainstorming. Not so great for customer fucking service.

[–] TehWorld@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

AI is taking customer service jobs by storm because 80% of the tasks they do are answering the same questions over and over for Grandma who can’t remember how to turn on the TeeVee.

[–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I guess that's true. Customer service has almost never been able to actually help me, even before.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 15 points 5 days ago

80?

I feel like that number is way over 90, 95

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[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (3 children)

The crash is going to be spectacular.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

As someone that has been through both of these crashes, 17 times the size of the .com bubble is really, really bad. I don't think we can even conceive of how big a hole this is going to make.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

don't worry the military tech bubble will get it covered)

jokes aside - i'm working in consulting and lots of those AI startups are straight up money laundering operations that don't really need neither market research nor talent pool studies - pretty much everything is for show and next to zero real longterm planning. A rude awakening is long overdue for these hotshots.

One time I had a misfortune to ask what one of these startups is going to do when their product will fail to gain traction (it was yet another grammar check sentence finishing app like Grammarly) - how are they gonna pivot and their CEO laughed at me and said "we are going to work hard to make it a success" which is like super stupid thing to say when your project is in the superoversaturated market affected by cost of living crisis with customer engagement on a consistent decrease for the last 3 years and your product costs almost the same as the market leader but is also way worse.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Ever since the 90's, I've often wondered if some of these bubble companies are just the living end of the "eat the rich" philosophy. I can see no more practical a way to achieve this, than to convince investment capital to empty their wallets, funneling it straight into the pockets of dozens if not hundreds more people. It's hardly Robin Hood, but it's also cash that's no longer hoarded at the top.

Plus, we also know that a worthwhile goal is to not go the distance, but simply become a tasty snack for a bigger company before you go bankrupt. This lets your flimsy business model and weak patent portfolio become someone else's problem.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

it is like that with a lot of Ukranian startups - hotshot all the way then sell off and it fucks shit up for others who actually want to turn their startups into a long-running expanding businesses.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Double check your investments and be sure none of them are reliant on AI for future operative certainty.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Haha joke's on you, I can't afford to invest

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago
[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

How will we crash if the White House controls the Fed? This is gonna be a different kind of financial catastrophe.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

you can maintain make-believe "all good nothing to see here" for only so long until the reality becomes undeniable. given that cost of living crisis is already running roughshod through the economy - it's not a good sign and it will get worse.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That’s what I’m saying, it’s probably not going to be a crash, just the cost of living crisis on steroids. My moneys still on mass hunger riots next year

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Even last year I would've said "hold ya horses, pardner" but these days I think you're onto something. The way big tech keeps on screwing everybody while other parts of the economy actively sink is concerning.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is the “planned economy” also known as a dreaded “communism”(1950-1989). We all know how it works. Some unqualified persons make choices on how to use the nations resources and all the sudden food and energy stop showing up.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

my country went through it - i don't remember energy shortages but the food shortages were real. That systemic mismanagement over decades with fudged performance figures up and down piled up so high it's a miracle things weren't worse. Took a solid decade just to clean this mess

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Many such cases!! It’s pretty well studied ant this point. We designed the world economy around food security for the last 80 years. It was a tragically flawed system and was slowly perverted, but the rapid destruction of these supply chains is certainly not going to end well for some.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

there is also an issue with the scope of the whole system. it is way too big and too tangled to function smoothly.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’d argue the problem with the system is the people we keep electing to run it. Governing a growing population of 340 million people is going to require a big system.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

For whatever reason people vote for promises not track records. And even when the right people get in - the real problem has everything is that representation gets diluted with each successive government layer.

The higher it goes, the less it represents actual communities and regions. Even when the adequate people get all the way into parliament - you still have 80% of the cronies neutering their efforts and screwing everyone over. Not to mention those who just get corrupted by this kind of environment and opt into dirty dealings.

For example, you can elect fairly competent local representatives who would do their job like clockwork - but just one level above to the region level - and you get bunch of homies pushing their agendas instead of the region's (which actively stifles local economy) and then the parliament is literally a menagerie of said characters at highest level mostly pushing their oligarch benefactor's interest and cementing them in legislation (which actively stifles the economy state-wide). and then you get shit like labor codex being slanted towards employers to a ridiculous degree, you get tax legislation that doesn't even make any sense, the whole business-related set of laws is downright hostile to new and small businesses in favor of big established companies and so on and so on.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I would argue that every federal institution that Elon Musk went after in the spring…. Was a good organization and use of federal force and manpower. Like easy example right there, we need a strong federal government to keep up with the insane amount of power we have given billionaires. And other nations who would seek our spot on the world stage

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

What Musk did is something akin to patching the holes in the bomber plane that came back from the mission instead of strengthening the parts that didn't got hit during said mission. Dude completely missed the point of his own agenda.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, we used to have some great institutions like the consumer protection bureau, the FCC, EPA…. There used to be a lot of large top end federal institutions that were very responsive to local communities. In fact, they were the only ones that could manage the local communities during the Jim Crow era. So I don’t know if trump has proved anything it’s that there is some need to wrangle power away from states who would poison and oppress their people. Gerrymandering away and otherwise eroding voting power at the federal level is a huge deal. Disparity of civic education outcomes nationally are a huge deal. People have been getting dumber and dumber for the last 40 years. It didn’t all happen overnight.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

education is critical in this whole thing and it is telling that it is consistently under attack. when people get smartened up about something - shit gets done.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 58 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Next bubble gonna be 64× ?

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

A genuine stock market collapse would be very interesting

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[–] Corelli_III@midwest.social 46 points 5 days ago (3 children)

it's going to be pretty cool when the USD is annihilated by this

they really boned themselves by concentrating all of it among themselves and basing its value off of fake proof of work factories

[–] CatsPajamas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

If the USD is annihilated the great depression will look like nothing. Breton Woods ended but America is still smack dab in the middle of everybody's economy. It's why no one is calling in their debt, but keep buying it. It's a fucking global ponzi scheme.

Edit: I just looked it up and 88% of global currency trades involve the dollar.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Its the reserve currency of the world. The only thing that could replace it today is the yuan, which China is absolutely prepared for when that day comes.

The euro could also replace it, but would need additional changes from the governing body of the EU first as its meant to be an amalgamated currency and cant produce enough to be a reserve currency at the moment.

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[–] acchariya@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The rest of the world is unfortunately not immune to US problems. What inevitably happens is the bubble pops, the government prints money to bail out the gamblers who benefitted from the bubble, then insist on austerity for regular people to get the resulting inflation under control

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[–] Philote@lemmy.ml 40 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Bubble scientists need to adjust for inflation.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

And the fact that they are willing and ready to print more money

[–] julysfire@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago
[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The Chinese and Indians are watching what is happening and busting their guts out laughing.

[–] harambe69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 days ago

AI: Actually Indians

[–] mrnarwall@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I read through the non paywalled link and I couldn't find any info on if this analysis adjusts for inflation or not. 17 times larger (before inflation possibly) seems so ripe for cherry picked data points in the name of sensationalism, that I wanted to confirm this one idea, and I didn't. Did anyone else find anything like that?

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