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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I thought 10 was a decent OS once debloated, used it for a while.

Back to Linux now though.

Other than it rebloating itself

[–] elbiter@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

I miss windows millennium, which would be a hammer made of a turd.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (13 children)

It's really incredible how Microsoft is trying to drive people away, by:

  • Polluting what works.

  • Never actually finishing revamps in progress.

  • Pushing so much crap even normal users are conditioned to click Microsoft 'features' away as spam.

They don't have to do anything! They could just freeze Windows 11 and gut development beyond security/api/hardware fixes, and rake in business "stuck on win32" dollars for eternity. But no, they are trying their absolute best to push folks to Android/iOS and open a window for stuff like the steam deck.

I bet we aren't far from OEMs even getting sick of it, as shipping (admittedly, trashy self made) linux distros.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 12 points 3 days ago (5 children)

In Late Stage Capitalism, companies have realized they can maximize their profits by making their product worse. Especially when they have a (near) monopoly.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They aren't trying to drive people away, they just have learned there's nothing they can do that will substantially scare people away. So time to pivot to trying to milk that captive userbase for all they are worth. People who are leaving are leaving for mobile class devices and they learned in Windows 8/Windows Phone 7 that they have no idea how to tap into that market segment anyway.

Yes, 'enthusiasts' are going Linux but they are a rounding error, hardly worth trying to capture compared to the revenue capture from the rest of the market. Particularly since the enthusiast market tends to be a bigger pain in terms of being picky users who complain and simultaneously unlikely to just say 'yes I'd like that service you just popped up in the notifications for only $5/month'.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yes, ‘enthusiasts’ are going Linux but they are a rounding error, hardly worth trying to capture compared to the revenue capture from the rest of the market.

Agreed, it's a rounding error.

But it won't be if OEMs get fed up and start shipping it as an option, like Valve is already doing.

Microsoft has already done some questionably 'OEM hostile' things like pushing the Surface line, shutting out some OEM bloatware in favor of thier own, pollute performance-sensitive devices like handhelds, and such, and it seems MS isn't slowing down.

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago

Yup, most people would just use Mint if it came on their laptop and not really think about it.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 117 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They know we liked Win7. They'll never go back, they'll just keep making it worse for us and more profitable for them.

That's why I switched to Linux Mint a year ago. I feel sorry for people who can't switch for whatever reason.

[–] BilSabab@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago

I did a switch last week and i feel like my life became just a little bit more bearable because THERE IS NO FUCKING BLOAT. Win11 actively makes you feel bad using a computer.

[–] Mostly_Roblox@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Windows peaked at 7, I only moved to Windows 10 when Windows 7 lost support

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago (4 children)

That's mostly due to your age. Older people say it peaked at XP, younger people are saying it peaked at 10. Truth is, they're all kinda the same shit.

Nah. XP was huge when it came out because NT was so much smoother and more stable than the Windows 9x product line: it was nearly as stable as 2000 with a more modern DE than Windows 95-ME.

But Windows 7 did everything XP did bigger and better. It’s no shocker that all the Windows-like Linux DEs look like forks of Widows 7.

[–] Logical@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Is it though? From a privacy perspective I think Windows 10 quite clearly started introducing some shady surveillance practices which were absent in earlier versions. Of course, 11 took that waaay further, but 10 was a turning point imo.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it's a hard case to make that 7 wasn't objectively better than XP.

Windows 10 did roll back some of the more egregious stuff from Windows 8, but still was sort of committed, sort of not. You had a platform with multiple personalities, multiple right click context menus, multiple 'control panel' with a new one being emphasized, but not actually completed, so it's an awkward mix of the platform they had suceeded with and a platform they wished it could be (combined with telemetry). Forced microsoft accounts and using the desktop as a platform to promote products and services....

Yeah I think a fair argument can be made that WIndows 7 was the ultimate execution of the general vision that started with Windows NT, and what came after was something else that also happened to have bits of that original product hanging on.

I'm not too terribly excited by any Windows in particular, but I can recognize something categorically different they wanted to do starting with 8 that remains partially executed to this day, starts to emphasize Microsoft's interests at the expense of the users, and a direction that no one really asked for.

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[–] pahlimur@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)

95, 98, xp, and 7 were all great; each improved on the last. But 7 was the true peak. 10 was pretty good and unfortunately was the turning point into enshitification.

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[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Windows peaked at DOS. It was small, inoffensive, and easily killed.

[–] cm0002@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Oh how I wish we could just go back to W7 :(

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

As a programmer, my world changed when Windows 95 came out, what with being 32-bit and having an extremely powerful (if difficult-to-use at first) low-level audio API, since I mainly wrote software synthesis and music composition apps. I have not given two fucks for anything that has happened since 95. Quite amazingly, that audio API has remained in existence, unchanged, all the way until today. 30 years of not having to change what I'm doing at all has been absolutely amazing. That shit even worked, without modification, for Windows CE (Compact Edition) and Windows Mobile, so I was able to make versions of my software synthesizer that ran on shitty smartphones from 2005. It worked on Windows Phone as well, albeit it quite uselessly.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

The plain old basic hammer probably should have been Windows 2000, and then a big playskool plastic stuff slapped on for XP, but ultimately pretty much exactly the same.

[–] PacMan@sh.itjust.works 90 points 3 days ago (5 children)

95 is the stick, ME is the stick up someone’s butt

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[–] loweffortname@lemmy.blahaj.zone 75 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Windows 95, ME, NT, and 2000 erasure.

And 3.11 for Workgroups.

[–] chocosoldier@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 days ago

nobody talks about 2000 bc 2000 was solid as fuck and there was nothing to complain about

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I remember when we were a Unix shop (BSD & Linux) sharing space with guys writing code for some kind of printing software (for professional printing shops that did complex format conversions) that apparently absolutely had to be on Windows (because, unclear reasons, nobody would buy a non Windows printing management box, or something).

Anyway, they were writing for one of the early versions of NT, maybe 2000, not sure, and were pulling their hairs out the whole time we were with them.

A classic I remember was "the system will just decide that our driver (pretty much the only thing running) isn't that important, and dump it's priority to the shitter. Once it's there, it's dead in the water and we can't get it active again without physical intervention. We've been talking to Microsoft for weeks to get around this."

I suppose this has been more or less addressed by Microsoft nowadays, but, of course, this kind of thing hasn't been an issue in unixland, like ever. Because it's a system that fucking makes sense. And about the versions of Windows, I stopped using their stuff in the DOS days, so it's not like I even have an opinion.

(and yes, they did have a couple very high end developers, on top of the regular grunts)

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I actually really liked NT around 2000. I think it was NT 4.0? We used it for a typing class I took at the local college. That was just as an end user for one single program, but I remember liking it a lot.

Was CUPS around back then? I assume that was a trillion times easier to manage than whatever Microsoft had concocted.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At least you can despyware 10...

[–] dajoho@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Why should you need to? That's my beef with it. It means they don't respect you enough to give you something good in the first place and hope 99% won't bother.

[–] CuriousSkeptic42@lemy.lol 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I use arch BTW. But I liked XP and 7.

[–] VicksVaporBBQrub@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (6 children)
[–] BootLoop@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago

But Windows ~~10~~ 11 is going to be the last version of Windows!

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 11 points 3 days ago

This is why I am on linux.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago (5 children)

You forgot windows me.

I know it would throw off the whole 9 square thing but if you (or the person that created this) decide to add it then might I recommend a hammer smashing itself into pieces?

[–] thaklor@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Oh shit.

I didn't even notice.

First I forgot about Dre and now I forgot about windows 95. Smh my head.

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[–] Fenrisulfir@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Where the fuck is Windows 2000 Advanced Server? The shiniest turd of them all

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[–] mrmorganiser@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

What about Windows ME? - the best version of classic windows.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Windows ME was one of those squeaky toy hammers.

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