omg scary systemd, with Artix I go
this post was submitted on 08 Oct 2025
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Let's hope the user base is flared.
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Systemd is fine.
Journald is fine.
But someone pass me a mace I can beat systemd-resolved and systemd-logind to death with
EDIT: Oh come on 
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I don't get the systemd hate. The most common complaint I see is that it's too bloated, but Arch uses it, so what gives? Is it just that people dislike change? Like Wayland hate (not Wayland frustration)?
From what I heard, people hate systemd because Linus Torvald was approached by the NSA to create a backdoor on Linux, he said it wouldn't be possible to change the kernel because there were too many eyes on it, there was a mysterious hack of kernel.org introduced a mysterious code but it was spotted and removed... well, what was the only other thing common to all Linux? The sysv-init, but it was too small, too tight, too specific for them to create a backdoor there, they needed something big, bloated, doing way more than it should do, like it was just supposed to start the system but it can also do unrelated stuff like handling DNS, and an American company shows up bringing systemd, that solved all the problems the NSA had to create a backdoor on Linux, and all distros jumped into the honeypot :)
Lol strangely believable in these times.
Nice conspiracy theory.
and all distros jumped into the honeypot
As a filthy casual this is the most distressing part.
Iβve observed the situation shift in just a few years from
β~~Winter~~ Systemd is comingβ
To
β~~Winter~~ Systemd is here, itβs everywhere, and i hate itβ
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Generally I see a few:
- People wanting the highly deterministic, but slower behavior of the rc scripts.
- People liking the fact that the rc startup was generally almost entirely defined in plain script files
- Some folks criticizing certain opinionated things in systemd, as systemd delves deeper into things like capabilities and users.
- Systemd can sometimes be a bit weird about how it does/does not capture stdout/stderr as one might guess in some situations.
- Some folks not liking the journald angle of binary-only files
Mainly the last point is the only one I personally find potentially aggravating, but since I never really am in a broken system without journalctl I'm not too bothered by it. I have saved myself some effort thanks to systemd including stuff that the daemons used to provide for themselves.
People wanting the highly deterministic, but slower behavior of the rc scripts.
This is literally it for me. I got to work on an alpine system and it was like a breath of fresh air - I could edit the service script files directly. So easy, so little abstraction
I'm more frustrated with GNOME devs sabotaging Wayland.
I'm more frustrated with GNOME devs...
Say no more!
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So people hate on systemd because they interpret it as an init system thats gone too far and has thus violated the unix principle. in reality systemd is an entire suite of tools based around a very feature rich and robust service management suite that also includes an init system. there is something to be said about the Linux ecosystem's reliance on systemd, but there are no comparable tools. this is why Arch uses systemd. if you dont want to use systemd, you can use distros like Arco Linux; however currently Gnome no longer works on Arco
Part of the problem with it is that it is very difficult not to use it, for instance if your code uses dbus, that makes systemd a dependency and almost all of the tools are like this. Want to use alternate software with systemd init? A-OK! want to use systemd tools without systemd init? Too bad! This inter-dependence is what I think makes it break the unix philosophy, its components dont like to be replaced or used outside of the "intended" environment of systemd init, keeping it from being replaced without breakage on lot of systems.
On my install for instance, systemd is roped in by xdg-user-dirs (and hence steam), flatpak, fcitx5, and cups. And that is just a few. So the init system isnt a problem to me, the lack of drop-in replacements for its suite of tools is.
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I still don't get what you guys have against Windows. Bill Gates has done so much good for the world.
(My body is ready.)
I don't mind all the ads, they're always for things I was just thinking I needed to buy anyway.
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Systemd has simplified my life on a few occasions, and it seems to be reliable from what I can tell. At the end of the day if I can get the OS to do what I want in a relatively simple matter, that's all I care about.
In all seriousness, I've yet to encounter a situation where Systemd made any meaningful negative difference in my Linux experience.
I've never had problems with any init system, Systemd or otherwise.
Please tell me your phone has a flared base?
I don't know what systemd is but this is pretty much how I picture all linux users.
My biggest complaint with systemd....
Service xxx stop/start/restart is so much easier than
Systemctl stop/start/restart xxx
It fucking annoys me
I neaver bothered me too much, can you not alias stop to sudo sytemctl stop xxx
Like that you can write βstop wpa_supplicantβ instead od βSudo systemctl stop wpa_supplicant. β
I mean, you could write a shell function or script to just wrap it if it bothered you that much?
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I dislike systemd less than I dislike sysvinit, so it has that going for it.
Listen, we've all done it.
We all have bash or fish or zsh aliases to do it in command.
We all love the feeling of a pulsing phone in our asses.
But we don't talk about it.
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I don't know if I like how you're characterizing furries. Not all of us do this, and I don't do it... often.
This must be why my post saying Linux made me gay got so many up votes.
i use mint btw
Have one extra buzz from me as well. Screw RedHat and everything it does.
Well, now I do.
Username checks out
I love ubuntu snaps.
(sets phone on vibrate)
Used systemd for years; realistically my first init.
Switched to Gentoo.
Switched to OpenRC.
Lost logs at work on a server.
Some small inconveniences show up on systemd.
Yea, systemd is not that great.
There are people saying they don't want to care about an init system, but it's the same attitude as of those who don't care about what car they drive. Yes, it gets the job done, but that's not good enough for me.
I want the job done properly.
Good boy.
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