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Talk inside the White House about invoking the act has ebbed and flowed since Trump took office again in January, said the five people, who include the senior administration official, two people familiar with the discussions and two people close to the White House.

But the debate inside the administration has shifted recently, from whether it makes sense to invoke the act to more deeply exploring how and when it might be invoked, both people close to the White House said.

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[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did anyone else see that weird interview on CNN with Steven Miller clamming up à la Mitch McConnell after he mentioned that Trump would have "plenary authority" i.e. dictatorial powers?

Unless I'm mistaken, plenary authority is granted to the president when the Insurrection Act is invoked.

So... Is this an attempt to push that through quickly now that the cat is out of the bag?

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Their incompetence is as mindboggling as how they are getting away with it.

[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 155 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (27 children)

Insurrectionist traitor skirts punishment for treason against the United States, becomes president. Again ffs. And proceeds to invoke the Insurrection Act as a prelude to implementing martial law and becoming a full fledged dictator.

All because the Dems didn't want to "seem political". Mmmmkay.

The world is laughing at us.

[–] Balaquina@lemmy.ca 67 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 days ago

I'm Canadian and I'm quivering in fear

[–] Wrufieotnak@feddit.org 8 points 2 days ago

Well a bit in the beginning because of the absurdity, but yeah, now it's just sad and terrifying.

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[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

Laughing is the wrong word. The world has lost all respect for us. But also, most Americans have lost all respect for their government as well.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because the Dems are just the same billionaires but in blue.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

People need to realize that Trump is 50 years in the making. He was not the first to put "undesirables" in camps and arrest people based on racial profiling. He's not the first to give tax cuts/subsidies/bailouts to the rich while the cost of living gets progressively worse. He's not the first president to bomb countries without Congressional approval.

These trends are accelerated by Trump, but will continue after he's gone because they are systemic.

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[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Must have decided he’s not getting the Nobel Prize.

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 91 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The White House expects that any potential invocation of the act would be met with swift legal challenges and ultimately land at the Supreme Court.

So, an unsigned 6-3.

Or more likely bumping it back to a lower court while only addressing one small part of the issue, while making no stay on the behavior so they can continue while it takes years to wind through the courts and eventually not matter when they have already usurped power.

[–] Pondis@lemmy.world 72 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Civil war is looming more and more everyday. If I was American I'd be so scared and angry right now.

[–] toomanypancakes@piefed.world 53 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Can confirm, I'm terrified and furious

[–] LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yup.

Terrified, angry, disappointed, despondent, hopeless, disgusted, in disbelief.

So many fun emotions! 🩷

Note: if you are FBI and reading this: insert the next floppy labeled ‘how much of a great, capitalist loving, good Christian ~~fascist~~ ultra nationalist I am’ to learn more!

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[–] FlexibleToast@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago

Looming? It's already happening. National Guards have invaded blue cities.

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[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Tell me you want a General Strike without telling me you want a General Strike.

[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

LOL inSuRrEcTiOn is anything they don’t like.

[–] FahrenheitGhost@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Thought crime! Found the ANTIFA terrorist!!!!

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

“History doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes.”

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Insurrection act invocation = pedo king gets hanged

[–] Redditsux@lemmy.world 40 points 3 days ago (6 children)

I'm pretty sure Trump is going to use it by 2028 or just before it, in a prelude to declaring martial law. Right now they are trying to escalate conflicts in order to have justification. When they don't have it, I assume there will be false-flag operation to trigger one (see January 6th).

[–] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

They'll time it for 2026 if they're ready. They can't let Dems have an ounce of power to preserve democracy

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Right now they are worried about the 2026 midterms. As unpopular as Trump is, they will be a bloodbath for the GOP. There is no way they wait for 2028.

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[–] HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 35 points 3 days ago

This gives me such revolutionary war vibes. The "fathers of the revolution" were not revolutionist, they did not want independence from Britain, but wanted thier legal rights upheld. The monarchy feared what they might do and so sent soldiers after them labeling them as revolutionist. Thier message then became one agianst the monarchy, tensions continued to escalate and well, revolution.

There is not an insurrection, there is not armies of rebels fighting to bring down the federal govermemt.... but start a war agianst people and eventually they will stert defending themselves, then we will have a war.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The irrational behaviour of ICE and the deployment of national guards is clearly setting up to agitate and provoke the ordinary Americans into drawing first blood to justify invoking the Insurrection act. Don't fall for this my American brothers and sisters. You don't want to be the Southerners this time who attacked Fort Sumter.

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

To the Trump admin it won't matter if the reason to invoke it is real or fake. The federal government is corrupt to the core and using the shutdown to prevent congress from losing the MAGA majority until the insurrection clause is invoked. There is no ideal solution, it's just that if you aim for the king, you best not miss.

The MAGA base is not suddenly going to be turned around and convinced unless you are able to puncture their Sinclair echo chambers, the federal is increasingly going to deny funding to Democratic states, SCOTUS is still going to overturn any impediments federal judges try to throw at Trump, ICE is still going to be ignoring any and all laws since they know they get to eat pardon cake if it ever becomes an issue, ICE is still going to get the biggest slice of the federal budget ... "Drawing first blood", you lose. Hoping a system rotten to the core in all three branches of government turns around and becomes semifunctional when no matter what you will still have Republicans and MAGA at the end of whatever solution comes up, you don't lose, but at a cost that's going to be comparable or greater than losing.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And that's how the 2025 US Civil War will begin.

[–] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Americans won't do shit (they are currently being fucked and are cheering this on). You are delusional.

[–] seejur@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Depends on which state, hence civil war between blue and red states

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[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That movie "Civil war" was very optimistic in hindsight

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[–] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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