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Stupid ass private education bullshit

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[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago

It doesn't. It costs money to skip a lot of the effort and have someone guide you through a curriculum and give you direct guidance and feedback on how to get that knowledge.

I have an Engineering degree, everything I learned there could absolutely be learned by someone curious poking around on the internet for videos, papers, and course slides that you'll probably need to read alongside a wiki page. They tend to come up pretty quickly once you're familiar enough with a field to start investigating one level deeper from a basic high school education.

[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It doesn’t.

It takes time and effort to gain more knowledge. It has never been cheaper or more accessible to acquire knowledge than it is today.

To increase your intelligence, is another matter all together.

[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would also add that damn near all of human information is free to be had on the internet for the low, low price of a monthly broadband bill. The real expense comes when you want a piece of paper that says you know all this that other people will take seriously.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While absolutely true. I would say it's much harder to find today than ten years ago. The Internet as an information source is being degraded on a daily basis. The amount of misinformation, ads disguised as information, and AI slop is destroying your ability to find that information.

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Textbooks on any subject are easily retrievable for free. You could previously go to a library, but the internet makes it much easier to retrieve that kind of information.

[–] Ludrol@szmer.info 1 points 1 day ago

It's true for infotaiment stuff but for boring knowladge not so much. If you seek textbooks and recordings of lectures, there is still a lot of great stuff out there. It's boring as ditch water but boring is good.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago

It doesn't. It costs money to get the diploma that's proof of your smarts. The Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz didn't actually get a brain, he got a diploma.

My son is a committed cinephile, and has systematically watched nearly every movie ever made, in any country, in any era ( it seems). He's an expert, by anyone's estimation. He just started back to college for a degree in Film Studies, because while he has the knowledge, in order to get a job teaching film, or working in an archive, etc., he needs the degree.

So you aren't buying the knowledge, any person who makes a serious commitment can get the knowledge, you are paying for an organization ( a school) to endorse your knowledge. Kind of a Certificate of Authenticity for your intelligence.

[–] elbiter@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

I guess you're talking about the US.

Well, everything costs money there: education, health, safety... It's capitalist dystopia.

[–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In Australia University used to be free. At some point they realised that Asia is close and has a virtually limitless supply of rich parents who want to pay big money for their kids to be lawyers and doctors.

Education is now one of Australia's main exports.

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[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Thats about certificated stuff from school. Knowledge has never been more accessible than today.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Formal education isn't for education but for the formal paper. There is so much information on the web, just learn from that. Also, libraries often times have material other than physical books

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago

Formal education can be good for guidance. For learning the "unknown unknowns" as a famous scholar once said. Also, in terms of career, networking is the most important thing. The world is built on nepotism, unfortunately.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because knowledge is power.

But also it depends. Learn on the job is a thing too in some industries, and in some people can do quite well for themselves here.

It also costs money to make money, if you have a lot of it you can make it work for you and make even more than someone who doesn't have it. This is why kids of rich ass parents get it so easy.

[–] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

an important rule of capital is that in order to get it, you must have it

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

I would argue that its rare for education to make you smarter, it mostly makes you more knowlegable.

Knowledge is mostly free though. You can get it from the internet, from the library etc. A lot of what you are paying for is the certification - some places let you just sit the exam I think.

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[–] Themosthighstrange@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

The library is free, my dude

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

I'd argue it doesn't, and moreover you cannot buy intelligence.

Sure, you can buy some books with some stuff in it and memorize that stuff, or pay for a class on some stuff and test well, but critical thinking skills seem to either innately exist, or not (depending on the individual in question), within us.

I've met people with pieces of paper that proclaim them to be certified smart that are dumb as rocks but were simply able to move through the system well enough to fool people, and people who have no such paper who are more intelligent than the former could ever hope to be. Shit happens.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

It only costs money to get the little piece of paper that says you did the thing and are therefore smarter. 🙃

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Getting smarter doesn't really cost much. Public libraries exist, go read books and get smarter.

University degrees though... Yeah, those are fucked up.

Or you could emigrate to the EU, where higher education is free.

[–] paranoia 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Or you could emigrate to the EU, where higher education is free.

You're probably not getting into the EU easily without higher education, and they don't educate non-EU citizens for free. Even if you get EU citizenship you will still probably have to pay until you've been resident for X number of years.

[–] thepompe@ttrpg.network 23 points 2 days ago (20 children)

It doesn't.

You need to study to be smart and studying is free.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are a lot more quality free learning resources than people realise.

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Honestly, there isn't hardly anything you couldn't learn on your own. But what higher education provides is structure. It can be very difficult to actually follow through with the education if you do not have scheduled classes, exams you have to study for, deadlines for projects/exams, etc

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[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 145 points 3 days ago (34 children)

Here in Sweden education is free, and the government provides a (small) monthly payout to students.

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[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 11 points 2 days ago (6 children)

*in the US. In Germany a semester at my university costs about 300 Euros and that includes cheaper lunch and a ticket to use all public transport in the whole of Germany.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It doesn't if you know how to read. I don't think of college as paying to learn; it's paying to prove to others that you possibly have learned something. You can just learn things outside of school on your own. You just won't have a degree proving it.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

This about a thousand times.

I can only guess he is asking why it is expensive to get the degrees, and that's a fair point.

I'm old enough now to know I could be a Dr. Something with my knowledge and experience but would just have to put in massive time to get it recognized. Since I can't gain much* with that, screw it.

*aside from social bragging rights and rl title which is about worth as much as in games (I am against titles how did you guess? - not against diplomas and certificates, mind.)

Oh and before I forget: learning - depending on field - can be done by hands on and experiencing or simply pondering yourself, that's free too. Too few people do that and only rely on preprocessed knowledge.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Valve made me stop giving a shit about college when someone (I cant remember if it was Vince or Gabe) said they are much more likely to hire someone who has self taught themselves and made something to show for it than a college grad with nothing to show but a degree.

I really wanna work there 😮‍💨

[–] Hellahunter@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Because capitalism

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 78 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It doesn't benefit the ruling class if too many of the wrong people access education; they may get ideas.

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[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 1 day ago

Cause people will pay it

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 61 points 3 days ago (10 children)

A man I respect quite a lot used to say that college should pay a full-time wage to the students. It should be challenging, it should be a real education (which a lot of modern college is not), and in exchange for that, if you are improving your understanding of the world and your ability to contribute to society, that should be something that society pays you a pretty decent wage for, because it's a fucking valuable activity.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Libraries are free.

Many libraries and community centers offer free classes depending on the subject. Local clubs can offer classes. Lots of youtube classes are free, like Khan Academy.

What you’re paying for is the degree on top of the education. A checkmark in a box that employers use to weed out people that don’t play the game of jumping through the hoops.

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[–] Thoven@lemdro.id 5 points 2 days ago

Essentially, because it takes labor to create educational material. Unless you own slaves labor isn't free. And in fact with the modern library and Internet access I'd argue self educating is more accessible than ever in history.

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