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Stupid ass private education bullshit

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[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It doesn't. It costs money to skip a lot of the effort and have someone guide you through a curriculum and give you direct guidance and feedback on how to get that knowledge.

I have an Engineering degree, everything I learned there could absolutely be learned by someone curious poking around on the internet for videos, papers, and course slides that you'll probably need to read alongside a wiki page. They tend to come up pretty quickly once you're familiar enough with a field to start investigating one level deeper from a basic high school education.

[–] hightrix@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It doesn’t.

It takes time and effort to gain more knowledge. It has never been cheaper or more accessible to acquire knowledge than it is today.

To increase your intelligence, is another matter all together.

[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I would also add that damn near all of human information is free to be had on the internet for the low, low price of a monthly broadband bill. The real expense comes when you want a piece of paper that says you know all this that other people will take seriously.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

While absolutely true. I would say it's much harder to find today than ten years ago. The Internet as an information source is being degraded on a daily basis. The amount of misinformation, ads disguised as information, and AI slop is destroying your ability to find that information.

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 3 points 2 days ago

Textbooks on any subject are easily retrievable for free. You could previously go to a library, but the internet makes it much easier to retrieve that kind of information.

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[–] elbiter@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

I guess you're talking about the US.

Well, everything costs money there: education, health, safety... It's capitalist dystopia.

[–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In Australia University used to be free. At some point they realised that Asia is close and has a virtually limitless supply of rich parents who want to pay big money for their kids to be lawyers and doctors.

Education is now one of Australia's main exports.

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[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thats about certificated stuff from school. Knowledge has never been more accessible than today.

[–] tea@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It is wild to me that tuition is SO expensive and quality educational content is SO ubiquitous now. It does take a lot of time, skill, and effort to provide quality educational experiences, but man is it weird that it is simultaneously free and ridiculously overpriced.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

University is overpriced, but a degree isn't just saying that you've gained knowledge. Being able to look up and memorize stuff doesn't mean you'll be good employee. if you can't work effectively with a team or tend not to finish a project all the knowledge in the world means nothing.

The most important thing most degrees demonstrate is that you can work for years on a project with multiple milestones involving multiple disciplines, work with others or self-direct, and meet goals.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago

It doesn't. It costs money to get the diploma that's proof of your smarts. The Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz didn't actually get a brain, he got a diploma.

My son is a committed cinephile, and has systematically watched nearly every movie ever made, in any country, in any era ( it seems). He's an expert, by anyone's estimation. He just started back to college for a degree in Film Studies, because while he has the knowledge, in order to get a job teaching film, or working in an archive, etc., he needs the degree.

So you aren't buying the knowledge, any person who makes a serious commitment can get the knowledge, you are paying for an organization ( a school) to endorse your knowledge. Kind of a Certificate of Authenticity for your intelligence.

[–] Nighed@feddit.uk 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

I would argue that its rare for education to make you smarter, it mostly makes you more knowlegable.

Knowledge is mostly free though. You can get it from the internet, from the library etc. A lot of what you are paying for is the certification - some places let you just sit the exam I think.

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[–] Themosthighstrange@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago

The library is free, my dude

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 145 points 4 days ago (34 children)

Here in Sweden education is free, and the government provides a (small) monthly payout to students.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 43 points 4 days ago

It’s one of the things I’m most grateful about living in Sweden. I wouldn’t be able to pursue higher education otherwise.

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[–] thepompe@ttrpg.network 23 points 3 days ago (20 children)

It doesn't.

You need to study to be smart and studying is free.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Formal education isn't for education but for the formal paper. There is so much information on the web, just learn from that. Also, libraries often times have material other than physical books

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago

Formal education can be good for guidance. For learning the "unknown unknowns" as a famous scholar once said. Also, in terms of career, networking is the most important thing. The world is built on nepotism, unfortunately.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

It only costs money to get the little piece of paper that says you did the thing and are therefore smarter. 🙃

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Because knowledge is power.

But also it depends. Learn on the job is a thing too in some industries, and in some people can do quite well for themselves here.

It also costs money to make money, if you have a lot of it you can make it work for you and make even more than someone who doesn't have it. This is why kids of rich ass parents get it so easy.

[–] Toneswirly@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

an important rule of capital is that in order to get it, you must have it

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There are a lot more quality free learning resources than people realise.

[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Honestly, there isn't hardly anything you couldn't learn on your own. But what higher education provides is structure. It can be very difficult to actually follow through with the education if you do not have scheduled classes, exams you have to study for, deadlines for projects/exams, etc

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 78 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It doesn't benefit the ruling class if too many of the wrong people access education; they may get ideas.

[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago

may start voting to the wrong politicians

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[–] Nomad@infosec.pub 11 points 3 days ago (6 children)

*in the US. In Germany a semester at my university costs about 300 Euros and that includes cheaper lunch and a ticket to use all public transport in the whole of Germany.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It doesn't if you know how to read. I don't think of college as paying to learn; it's paying to prove to others that you possibly have learned something. You can just learn things outside of school on your own. You just won't have a degree proving it.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This about a thousand times.

I can only guess he is asking why it is expensive to get the degrees, and that's a fair point.

I'm old enough now to know I could be a Dr. Something with my knowledge and experience but would just have to put in massive time to get it recognized. Since I can't gain much* with that, screw it.

*aside from social bragging rights and rl title which is about worth as much as in games (I am against titles how did you guess? - not against diplomas and certificates, mind.)

Oh and before I forget: learning - depending on field - can be done by hands on and experiencing or simply pondering yourself, that's free too. Too few people do that and only rely on preprocessed knowledge.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Valve made me stop giving a shit about college when someone (I cant remember if it was Vince or Gabe) said they are much more likely to hire someone who has self taught themselves and made something to show for it than a college grad with nothing to show but a degree.

I really wanna work there 😮‍💨

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

I'd argue it doesn't, and moreover you cannot buy intelligence.

Sure, you can buy some books with some stuff in it and memorize that stuff, or pay for a class on some stuff and test well, but critical thinking skills seem to either innately exist, or not (depending on the individual in question), within us.

I've met people with pieces of paper that proclaim them to be certified smart that are dumb as rocks but were simply able to move through the system well enough to fool people, and people who have no such paper who are more intelligent than the former could ever hope to be. Shit happens.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social 61 points 4 days ago (6 children)

A man I respect quite a lot used to say that college should pay a full-time wage to the students. It should be challenging, it should be a real education (which a lot of modern college is not), and in exchange for that, if you are improving your understanding of the world and your ability to contribute to society, that should be something that society pays you a pretty decent wage for, because it's a fucking valuable activity.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 days ago (4 children)

It really should be a challenge. The saying at my kids college/university was "A 'C' gets a degree". And while "haha that's funny" there were many in that group that took that literally and put in the least effort possible.

For work, my team and I work with engineer types, and its been a 10 years span of helping them. The newer graduates are a mixed bag: some are bright and innovative, and some are coasters.

We've had young guys asking for help on a problem, and as you help they start replying to text messages on social media, missing the entire "help" session you provide.

We've had grads struggle with simple counting / talling.

We have done step by step troubleshooting documentation. Then field a call from somebody saying the steps don't work. OK let's see your system and go through the steps. Let's check Step 1.
Them: oh I didn't do step one, because it said I didn't have system permission. So I just did step 2 onward.

I could go on, but I should end this rant LOL.

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[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Getting smarter doesn't really cost much. Public libraries exist, go read books and get smarter.

University degrees though... Yeah, those are fucked up.

Or you could emigrate to the EU, where higher education is free.

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 47 points 4 days ago (10 children)

It was free until some time in the 1960s when black people started getting involved in higher education, then the republicans got big mad about that and changed the rules because they're racist pieces of shit. They would rather make everyone suffer if it hurts one person who isn't a white christian republican.

There's more detail but that's the short version.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Libraries are free.

Many libraries and community centers offer free classes depending on the subject. Local clubs can offer classes. Lots of youtube classes are free, like Khan Academy.

What you’re paying for is the degree on top of the education. A checkmark in a box that employers use to weed out people that don’t play the game of jumping through the hoops.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

It is not about getting smarter. It is about transferring knowledge. For that, the teaching person must a) have the knowledge, and b) the skills to actually transfer it. Both do not come easy and cheap.

You simply pay a professional person money for professional work. And sometimes it is really, really worth it. I learned one programming language in an expensive three day course - from the person who wrote the actual tools. This was intense. The amount of knowledge and insight gained was marvelous. And well worth the money.

[–] DJKJuicy@sh.itjust.works 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Disclaimer: I 100% support "free" healthcare and "free" education.

Being a teacher is a job. Being a college professor is a job. Being a nurse is a job. Being a janitor for a college campus is a job. People need money and benefits to do jobs. We've not yet achieved a post-scarcity economy where people can work without being reimbursed for their efforts.

Anyone who labels the goal of providing publicly-funded education or publicly-funded healthcare as "free" is either arguing in bad faith or too naive to understand what the goal should be. As a society we should provide public services, such as education and healthcare, to all humans who ask for it. For the good of all humans. But it's something we all have to collectively fund.

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[–] Thoven@lemdro.id 5 points 3 days ago

Essentially, because it takes labor to create educational material. Unless you own slaves labor isn't free. And in fact with the modern library and Internet access I'd argue self educating is more accessible than ever in history.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

formal education feels like it was fully co-opted by "the market"

If you want to join "the market" (have a job and get paid for it), you need formal education
To get formal education, you need money
To get money, you need to join "the market" or have someone who's "in" to pay for you

As for "getting smarter", that's different from formal education

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