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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The only advantage to me being in the office is that I get free access to the gym.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago

Which is why the ruling class has decided we can't have it...

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It is 0850. I start at 0900. I am still in bed.

Working from home is great.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Its amazing but only because the alternative is so horrible, we really, really appreciate working from home.

I think its also having a strong effect om how we are as people. Office culture changes people, into scared little humans who self censor themselves to fit in, and use language they think makes them sound professional.

Its a waste of life. We are originals. We are unique personalities. Not clones, not resources to exploit.

If humanity survives capitalism, and its a big if, we will look back at this and wonder what we were thinking.

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[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I've been studying managers for much longer, and I've reached a very clear conclusion: they don't care.

Managers are playing the game. Rules vary from company to company but are broadly similar.

  • Take credit for your subordinates work as if you did it.

  • Make sure you have enough scapegoats to cover the fuckups.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 46 points 2 days ago

They know this. A schismed individual is a compliant employee.

[–] elderorb@feddit.nl 40 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Does anyone have a link to the actual study? The article doesn't seem to have it.

[–] NycterVyvver@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm having a tough time finding it. I found this citation from an article that appeared to reference the same four year study.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0248008

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago

And to be clear, that study does not have those conclusions:

Participants slept 27 minutes longer (95% CI 9–51), got up 38 minutes later (95% CI 25–50), and did 50 fewer minutes (95% CI -69–-29) of light physical activity during COVID-19 restrictions. Additionally, participants engaged in more cycling but less swimming, team sports and boating or sailing. Participants consumed a lower percentage of energy from protein (-0.8, 95% CI -1.5–-0.1) and a greater percentage of energy from alcohol (0.9, 95% CI 0.2–1.7). There were no changes in weight or wellbeing. Overall, the effects of COVID-19 restrictions on lifestyle were small; however, their impact on health and wellbeing may accumulate over time.

[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What? You don't automatically trust "The Editorial Team's" assertion at the bottom that "This article is based on verified sources and supported by editorial technologies" is valid? I mean they linked to a few other articles - the fact they're only ones on their own site shouldn't matter...

🙄 "Trust me, bro!"

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[–] loonsun@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah I'm a researcher in the field that studies stuff like this and it's infuriating that there is no citation for this. I can probably find it but it's just horrible "journalism" to have no citation to the subject of your article.

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[–] sibannac@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is this linked wrong? The article is about swimming for health not WFH.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

oddly, the link goes to the right article, then the site redirects to the swimming article,

here it is on another site

https://evidencenetwork.ca/remote-work-increases-happiness-4-year-study-findings/

edit: it's someone elses take, looking for original

edit2: OK, the original article is from 2020, there are updartes in 2024.

This page does a better job covering the the couple of gallup polls and some of the criteria listed

https://www.greatplacetowork.com/resources/blog/remote-work-productivity-study-finds-surprising-reality-2-year-study

though the site is sus to me :)

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I find it really weird that companies would want to pay the enormous cost of maintaining huge buildings full of people, that don't actually need to be there, in person. That just seems like a huge waste of money.

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 32 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Partly because people that control large companies that lease large office buildings have a lot of money to lose if office space were devalued as much as it should be.

Large commercial office spaces are one of the more historically stable investments that banks have money tied up in. The WFH shift of covid was a massive threat to those portfolios and freaked people out

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago

This is the answer. And the C levels renting from these spaces are absolutely invested in the companies that lease the space.

I've seen it even more incestuous as well. CEO buys building for kids and lets other C levels get in on it. The company rents a space. Everyone at C level agrees it's the best space because they can get a sweetheart deal on rent for the company. Company pays for space, money flows back to C Suite and CEO doesn't have to pay for kids' lifestyles anymore.

There's a very nice office building like that down from me, except it's CEOs cousin or nephew or something. It came out when they started pushing for RTO as soon as they could.

Must be nice getting C level salary, a little extra in your bonus for getting a sweetheart rental deal, and passive income from being a partial owner of the building your company rents from.

[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago

Control freaks are afraid of not getting the full attention of their employees - especially the "overemployed" crowd holding down multiple jobs simultaneously while working from home.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

Sunk cost fallacy

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 11 points 2 days ago

The money isn't the whole point. It's also about control and emotions. Management wants to feel a way and they'll pay for it. And/or make you pay for it

[–] bobaworld@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I liked working from home at first, but after so long it becomes harder and harder to leave your work at "work" when your workplace is also your home. Now I am back in the office and actually prefer it that way. I have the flexibility to work from home on weekends or when I need to be home for some reason, which is good enough for me.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you're working at home on weekends, it doesn't sound like you're leaving work at work.

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[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Me with ADHD who can't do shit from home, hiding in the back corner of the open space.

[–] Bo7a@piefed.ca 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Isn't diversity neat? My ADHD pulls a gun on me if I get within 30 meters of an office.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Work mode activated ?

[–] MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Every time this comes up i tell my personal and data driven experience as a middle manager in a company, and every time people trash me, but i keep saying it.

IT FUCKING DEPENDS!

From purely data point of view (note: this is from my place of work) workers whose work is purely executing more or less the same duties every day had their productivity have a nose dive when working long stretches from home. Also their works quality got worse. Its easy to reinforce bad habits whitout even noticing it, if the feedback comes from email and and not straight from the supervisor.

BUT with jobs like coders or artists where the job is more open ended instead of monotous labor there was no ill effects.

Then on the other side communication has gotten much slower with the people working from outside office. Where i used to just walk to the other room and ask something from my collegue i now need to message them in our internal and hope they notice it. Getting answers for questions have turned from 5 minute thing to 10-40 minute things.

Also from the point of more inventive things on my work we have lost a lot of changes to brainstorm ideas. No more throwing ideas around during lunch or coffee breaks

[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

I have WfH for about twenty five years now and I will say the same thing I always say when this type of comment pops up, if people do not want to talk to you for some reason they will not respond as its a lot easier to hide on email/IM than an office situation. If you finding that people are hiding from you, then that's as much a you problem as anything else for not directly addressing it.

I actually find it considerably easier to get hold of someone via IM than any other method short of direct dialing them as I can reach them in meetings or away from their desk or even in another country entirely, its only if they are intentionally ignoring you it does not work. If the person is presenting in a meeting or otherwise legitimately incommunicado then they aren't going to respond F2F or IM anyway.

Not measuring output volume or quality consistently is a widespread problem for businesses, regardless of location of the employee. Consistent and accurate measurement is the only way to be sure you are getting the results you are expecting, for coding that means code reviews not commit counts, 360 feedback, and so on. If you are feeding back, and someones ignoring that, guess what, its also a you problem for not building in consequences and follow ups. It also applies just as much in an office situation as it does remote.

[–] bystander@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The article does have this caveat.

"Context still matters. Job type, home setting, and leadership quality vary. Yet the direction remains positive. Even with modest differences by role, the health and satisfaction curves point upward. Inside those curves, remote work behaves as a flexible option that organizations can calibrate rather than a rigid rule."

Though I will say your argument is still centered around being productive and effective for the company (make money for the company), the article specifically centers around an individual's well-being (sleep, family life etc.). So not the same metrics.

Other articles and research I've seen that did center on productivity did conclude that yes, it depends.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 day ago

How about the workers' wellbeing? Is that ever considered?

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Out of curiosity, can you describe, with a bit more detail, the kind of work that was repetitive and became worse?

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[–] loonsun@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

In the field of organizational psychology (which research like this is typically done by), the phrase "it depends" is used so often among scientists that it's a running gag at this point

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[–] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 days ago

Could’ve just asked.

[–] don@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 days ago

Like they GAF. They've got the money & politicians in their pockets, so inconvenient truths are easily trodden over.

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