The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
All these minority agents gonna find out the hard way that they aren’t on the right side when they are no longer needed.
Wishful thinking.
I'm scared just watching the video, I can't imagine how I would feel actually being there! Amazing seeing someone able to try to resist in that situation.
Pro tip for anyone in this situation: Squaring up on someone that close to them is assault (as distinct from battery which is if you make contact with them), and the woman not getting back when they told her to is obstruction. He's guilty of a felony and she can be arrested for a misdemeanor, if they really want to push either or both of those issues.
If you're going into it to maybe get arrested to make a point then fine. It's possible that the charges will be dropped or the grand jury won't indict, and giving resistance to these guys is absolutely a good thing to do. But, it's also possible that the legal consequences will be severe (even if they're following the normal rules instead of just snatching you to ICE detention). Honestly, they should be getting this type of stuff everywhere they show up. I'm just saying this so that people know what the deal is if they do decide to do this. There are a lot of TikTok lawyers who think that "not even doing anything" is in the statute, but it isn't.
To reiterate this point: Resistance may come with consequences, even if it is the right thing to do. There are many people who, for whatever reason, are unable or unwilling to shoulder the burden of those consequences, and that's okay. While it's true that they can't put all of us in prison, they can put any of us in prison. It's okay to avoid prison, especially if that means you can continue to resist in other ways.
When you decide to rise up, be aware that you're bringing family and friends along for the ride. Not only will they be affected by the consequences you experience, but you will need them more than ever. We are most certainly in this together, and unless you've had the explicit conversation with key people in your life about suffering those kinds of consequences together, and gotten a clear positive answer about that, it is perfectly sensible to back down.
To all those (not you, Phil) who complain behind keyboards that "That doesn't work" and "Always stand up to them" and "You're all cowards" - as usual, it's more complicated than that.
Revolution is never painless my friends. It's going to get uglier before it could ever get better. Stay strong, fight on and keep resisting.
Hey guy frequently taking about amateur lawyers and stating definitively what the law actually is, what are your qualifications?
Look, buddy. I know a lot about the law and the various other lawerings. I'm well educated. Well versed. I know that situations like this -- agg assault wise -- they're very complex.
So you're just another online amateur law-knower stating definitively what the law is with exactly the same qualifications as the people you're challenging and criticizing.
You are totally besmirching me
You've been besmirched?!
I demand satisfaction
... Filibuster.
Not to mention feigning like he was ready to draw from a 6oclock carry. That was even wilder to me than squaring up.
Ah I miss the days when grabbing someone by the throat for no reason was controversial...
And crotch. I'd be asking for a sexual assault modifier in my lawsuit.
I love that the source goes to a link removed by mods on reddit
Sorry about that. However this is why I archive the videos of crimes that the fascists are committing onto decentralized platforms.
When I posted this about an hour ago, it was there on reddit with lots of comments and upvotes.
Fuck reddit
A PeerTube instance would be good for that.
I do put stuff on peertube but more people see it on Mastodon + Lemmy
What is your peertube channel, if you still have one? :)
Thanks! I added it to ~50501@piefed.social, the 50501 feed on PieFed, so if you post something again it should pop up there. :)
Hey cool, how did you do that?
It's a PieFed feature - I created the feed, so I curate a list of communities that go in it. PeerTube feeds are treated like any other community on PieFed. :)
Nice. I gotta tryout piefed sometime
Oh no apologies needed, I was just pointing out how much of a free speech platform reddit has become since they started making deals with tech companies for AI use
What force is this supposed to be?
Good question. That would require him to identify himself.
His vest says Police, but I doubt he is a police officer.
His patch says "US Border Patrol," so presumably CBP. Of course the whole thing is such a shit show that it could potentially be just a patch he slapped on there or something, but I would guess that he is CBP.