There is no incentive to stop obesity. The rich charge enough for health insurance to make profit on these taxpayers who then die before collecting any social security. Perfect citizens.
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You'd think being able to easily get up off the sofa would be enough of an incentive
The fast-food and medical insurance industrial complexes couldn't be more giddy.
Finland is quite fat and we have universal healthcare
We've been warned about this since the at least the 80s maybe earlier. Then when it became more common (still not common I don't think) that the food pyramid is a sham it explained by school lunches when I was younger didn't usually seem all that balanced after I thought about it as an adult.
Couple that with cities that aren't designed to be walkable and its dangerous to bicycle and it just doesn't look good.
But hey, schools are probably going to get to serve chocolate, whole and 2% milk again due to winning arguments like "....fortifying nutrients of whole milk....Protein helps build and repair Santa’s muscles" and "...scientists, experts built the Titanic, and amateurs built the ark." So, that'll help, right?
Chocolate milk is the least of the problems. And whole milk should be served because fat is fine for you and 2% and skim just replace the fat with sugar for the taste.
But milk is pretty much inconsequential. There are so many other issues like you mentioned. Zero city walkability, poor nutritional education, food is rarely made fresh and with high quality ingredients, we have too many preservatives, too much sugar, and too many chemicals.
It won't get better until we fix so many issues.
In which countries is sugar added to skimmed milk? It is not in Sweden - skimmed and semi-skimmed are purely the result of removing fat from whole milk.
The united states. Our sugar industry lobbied hard for the government to tell everyone that fat is bad for you and funded false studies saying so.
So low-fat and fat-free foods became the norm and to make up for the lack of flavor, companies added loads of sugar to everything and got people addicted to it.
People aren’t obese because of milk…
Schools in Japan only have whole milk (except in cases of students with allergies or the like) and are doing far better on obesity. Whilst I drink milk probably once every few months and could mostly not care if I never had it again, I don't think milk is the right place to look.
OK but do you see the absurdity of the arguments? Jesus.
Studies previous to over a decade ago slammed whole milk, which is why it was removed in the first place. Only until the last 10 almost 15 years have studies shown correlation with whole milk actually fighting child obesity though no conclusions as the actual 'why' have yet been found. Theories in both the biggest meta-analysis study (in English anyway) and some of the latest theorize it may be an indicator of the parents diets that they provide to their kids or it could be that kids simply eat more without whole milk. One study in particular attempted to figure this out by weighting the parents' BMI's on a point scale but was unable to really pull a substantial conclusion from it. Take your example of Japan where I think we can agree without me finding any analytics on their diet that it is different enough nutritionally from the US that it is an important distinction, except for a fairly short teen fad, what 7 years ago? Maybe it was a couple of years longer ago.
But all of that is beside the point. What I was trying to show is the absurdity of Congress' oversight of nutrition in the school systems. The GOP pushed this forward strictly at the behest of diary lobbyist and in particular a Pennsylvania conglomerate. In their statements, they never mentioned any actual studies and in-fact shat on 'experts' multiple times because they have no idea. The entire Santa bullshit from Virgina Foxx sounds almost exactly like a Got Milk? commercial in the 80s with definite the exact same key words.
Not me! I am the 50%!
Oh Beese!
Not with the new weight loss drugs they won’t.
These have outcomes that may not be ideal and the results do not persist if you stop taking them.
If know a lot of people on these. A good percentage of them are using it as a cheat code to continue their existing patterns. A couple have used it to assist in behavior modification. They seem to have better outcomes.
We'll see how people are doing in the long run.
The recipe for weight loss is simple. Changing a lifetime of behavior is not. I speak from experience.
I think these drugs are the new gastric bypass surgery. For some they will see results but they will go back to their preferences before long. For a smaller group, long term behavior change will occur.
Fingers crossed that there are no longer term health problems from these because so many people I know are on them.
I think the next generation of these will be better...
I have a friend on ozempic (for diabetes). It really seems like it's impossible for him to just use it to continue his excessive eating habits, because it suppresses his appetite and he just doesn't eat much anymore. He still eats garbage, but much less.
That is my thing. As soon as they stop, the habit is still there but the inhibition will be gone (I say this as a lifelong person who has issues with over eating).
But that's wrong? The habit of eating garbage food is still there but the habit of overeating is gone.
I have an ileostomy (like a colostomy). When I first got it, I could only eat small amounts of food. I lost 60 lbs. If was wondeful. I'd eat small meals forever and reach my healthy weight.
Well, a few months later my body could easily tolerate more. And I ate more. Gradually at first then more. It wasn't more than six months before I was back to my weight before the operation.
A few months of imposed restriction did not alter a lifetime of habit.
I thought this was something I did wrong and researched it. Turns out it's how the majority of people behave.
Yep. If you are not willing to make the changes to your habits around eating and exercise as well as work on your mental well being then you will not see the long term changes you are looking for.
I think for many people it's no so much that they want to regain the weight, it's just they don't know how to make the changes that they need to make to lose the weight and keep it off. And I think the biggest change that people need to make is looking at their mental health and how that is contributing to their long term weight gain.
You are correct and I'm not aware of anyone I know on the drugs receiving this type of therapy. This is in stark contrast to gastric bypass surgery where in Canada you wait a year, receive counseling before and after the surgery and people still often end up back where they started a couple years later despite it probably being much harder on them physically than cessation of a drug. You can see why I am concerned.
but the habit of overeating is gone
It's only gone as long as they stay on the drug. Unless they make an effort to change their lifestyle and eating habits while they're on the drug, nothing will change. For people who have immediate health issues due to their weight, then a drug like that makes sense. But for fat people trying to lose weight, I don't think it's sustainable.
I'm fortunate to be of a healthy weight and I've never had to worry about obesity. However, I do consciously make choices to eat less even when my body begs me to eat more. I feel like it would be much harder to develop that "skill" if I was on a drug like ozembic. The point is to learn to say "no" when my body is begging me to say "yes".
Honestly though, that does not seem far away from most diets. That’s the thing, it’s somewhat easy to lose weight. But to stick it out long term? Close to impossible for most. An absurd amount gain all of it back sooner or later.
By far and the best way not to struggle with obesity is not to get obese. Because when you’re there, the rest of your life will be a struggle.
By 2030 we will know one way or the other. By then they’ll also be cheap and generic.
It's just the natural conclusion to ineffective politicians who refuse to pass any food health laws.
And when they do pass them everyone gets pissed because "mommy state" and corporate interests find a way to get rid of it anyway: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugary_drinks_portion_cap_rule
It's not just politicians. The entire system is broken.
This applies to the most of the first world too.
Good thing I’m attracted to fat people
Are you a phat phux?
By 2030? Fuck, I can get there by the end of next year if I put my mind to it. Rest of you are a bunch of damned slackers.
I'm doing my part!