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[–] Noughmad@programming.dev 98 points 2 years ago (16 children)

Yeah, you can call yourself a leftist all you want, but when 90% of your posts is calling Biden and Zelensky Nazis but you never criticize Putin or Trump, I get certain doubts.

[–] SigloPseudoMundo@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You forgot the genocide denial as well. I don't understand why they worship Russia like the ussr is still around.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago

Right? They react with appropriate frustration when someone denies the Holocaust happened, but then deny Holodomor with the exact same rhetoric as the Holocaust deniers.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 15 points 2 years ago

Anarchists didn't like the fucking USSR either.

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[–] Echo71Niner@kbin.social 62 points 2 years ago

No one wants to talk about the thousands of extra bots that reddit released during the blackout and afterwards to keep up with the illusion. A whole lot of sub users on reddit are engaging with bots. In fact, some gullible people think r/place is run by users, and not the thousands of bots run by different subs, as well as reddit admins.

[–] BigNote@lemm.ee 54 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's so strange that people confuse you with a Kremlin bot when you repeatedly spew the same fucking bullshit talking points as the bots themselves.

[–] RoundSparrow@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago

When it comes to media attraction, what they call themselves (labels) don't really matter that much. It's the praise of strong men, authority, that crosses all mythological media systems. Be it bowing down to a burning bush story, Fox News, or Kremlin.

[–] ivereadalltheory@beehaw.org 30 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Tankies when you don't want your country to fall into fascism.

[–] gun@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just vote for the lesser of two fascisms

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[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The Democratic party is already a sympathizer of fascism.

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[–] ox0r@jlai.lu 11 points 2 years ago

For the majority of the world, the usa is alrwas inflicting fascism on them all the fucking time. Hell even people inside the usa live under a fascist state, especially minorities/poc

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[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 28 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (57 children)

What's the difference between a fascist and an "anarchist" who does everything they can to kneecap the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

There's no practical difference, just window dressing. They both cheer on oppression and pain for those suffering under Republicans.

And don't even get me started on communists. Left and right authoritarians, I've gotten death threats from both of them. Whether it's some leftist telling me I would "get the wall" when the Revolution comes or some fucking Republican telling me that the US was only for Christians and that they'll go after "traitors" soon, you get to the same fucking place at the end of the day. The only real difference is that there's far more Republicans, and they're far more organized than left authoritarians.

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 25 points 2 years ago (11 children)

bOtH sIdEs

This is why libs get clowned on so hard. You claim to support "the only viable left leaning political party", and yet you're kneecapping large swaths of people on the ground engaging in direct action advancing left leaning values. Remember, segregation wasn't ended because black people voted, blood was spilt in the streets. Same with the LGBT community, see the stonewall uprising, aka, the first pride parade.

I don't care how you vote, but if you can't see the difference between an anarchist engaging in direct action against an oppressive state and fascists doing hate crimes; well, I'd say it's time to get off your high horse and do a little introspection.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yet you're kneecapping large swaths of people on the ground engaging in direct action advancing left leaning values

Direct action is meaningless if you're hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power. It doesn't matter how many lit memes anarchists and communists share on social media and how much they horn on about "direct action," this is a democracy and without votes going to candidates who can win, it is ultimately meaningless.

You want me to do some introspection? I did. I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Direct action is meaningless if you're hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power.

Spoken like someone who's never done organizing, participated in protests or any other direct action. You're a keyboard warrior who's probably never even interacted with a socialist IRL.

this is a democracy and without votes going to candidates who can win, it is ultimately meaningless.

Not a democracy and also I already gave 2 examples showing the contrary.

I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

No need to be a condescending dick. I'm also guessing I'm older than you, not that it's relevant.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 10 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I've participated in dozens of protests. Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

No need to be a condescending dick.

If you don't want someone to take offense at what you write, don't smugly tell them to learn introspection. Act like an arrogant dick, get treated like an arrogant dick.

[–] DrJenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube 11 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

Right... I'm not sure why you think I'm not in favor of organized resistance.

If you don't want someone to take offense at what you write, don't smugly tell them to learn introspection. Act like an arrogant dick, get treated like an arrogant dick.

You were doing a "both sides" between anarchists and fascists, eerily similar to Trump, while claiming to be "left leaning". I think my response was warranted, if not understated. But frankly, that's plain ignorant.

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[–] Addfwyn@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

the only viable left leaning political party in the US?

I might be misunderstanding you, so I apologize if that is the case, but if you are referring to the Democrats they are far from left leaning. They aren't even center leaning.

You can't even say they have a better track record than the Republicans. They bomb countries as much (or in recent years even more) than the Republicans. They advocate for wars. They fund ICE even more than the Republicans. They stand up just as much for reproductive rights (read: not at all). They just do all of it while waving a rainbow flag.

I really hope you meant the Greens or the CPUSA; which have their own issues but are certainly more left than either the Democrats or Republicans.

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is your issue with anarchists or authoritarians? I somehow doubt that anarchists are sending you death threats. Nor do I see anarchists kneecapping the Democrats. Anarchists don't want a state, though many do vote for the moderate right-wing (not "left leaning") Democrats simply because they think it's the right thing to do.

Your sweeping generalizations and attempts to paint all of us with the same brush betray your own lack of knowledge, but don't worry, I'm sure the planet will last long enough for the Democrats' slow incremental change, and I'm sure my family in border camps are very thankful to be in liberal concentration camps.

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[–] Gnubyte@lemdit.com 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Honestly it's exhausting to the whole lemmy experience that every time something gets even slightly political, there's an extreme communist in the comments pushing their agenda.

I can literally say "hey man they all suck yo fuck politics am I right?" And in comes a guy who tells me I'm a Republican or Democrat or fuck America, whatever. I can even agree that the news is biased in America, and I'll still get the same response.

It makes conversations for the average consumer on the platform unproductive at best, unsettling in its worst form.

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Bad is the enemy of good, and right-wingers are bad.

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[–] areyouevenreal@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What exactly is a liberal in this context? Is a social democrat a liberal? What about Jeremy Corbyn or Bernie Sanders?

Why are people hating on "liberals" more than conservatives?

[–] Count0@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 14 points 2 years ago (7 children)

This is why. Well, this is one of the reasons.

First, we have extremely few liberals in America. The Democratic party is mostly made up of people that would be best described as center-right anywhere else in the world. They don't actually want to fight to roll back changes that Republicans make, and actually try to internally sabotage the few members that do want to undo changes the republicans make. They actively prevent change, and then active work against those who do want change all while professing to want change and to do their best to fight for it. But they're lying, and people are catching on. People are even starting to realize that the whole "We'd do stuff for you if it wasn't for that bad bad manchin, and Sinema" thing is as much of a lie, too.

The second reason that is more for the communists is something along the lines of the old joke "Scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds" Communists don't like liberals (And the use of the word liberal is pretty different from the usage in the first case) because they view them as people that profess to want these better for others, until it requires any, even minor, amounts of sacrifice from the liberal. The whole Moderate Rebels thing in Syria? It was always a lie for one simple reason. Fighting is an extreme action. Moderates don't fight, they just don't. That's one of the reasons they're moderates. Liberals are like communists that aren't willing to fight or do what is necessary to enact change.

[–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Two party system. This duopoly kind of politics prevents the emergence of new parties as well. The system of voting "one person" favours the two party system and even if there was a new party people are less likely to vote them cuz they think they are less likely to win.

This educational video explains better than me

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[–] o_0@slrpnk.net 17 points 2 years ago

lmao, i've been getting that constantly

[–] n3m37h@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Anarchy and Communism are not the fucking same, what a retarded meme

To anyone offended, Go watch "The Ringer"

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 14 points 2 years ago (21 children)
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[–] TheObserver@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (15 children)

Wish this sub would not allow politics and move the shit over to the politics meme place instead.

[–] Roundcat@kbin.cafe 58 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The only issue is what is considered a political issue? Are we filtering based on US politics? Based on the politics of other countries?

I could post a meme about the wealthgap or the cost of living right now, and I would probably get a lot of concurrence because despite it being a political issue, it is something most people can relate to and agree with.

On the otherhand, I could make an LGBTQ related meme, and I would get some backlash because it is controversial to some people.

I could probably agree with OP's meme being political because it is literally an Anarchocommunist poking fun at liberals or American Democrats. On the otherhand, there are several memes here posted daily that are going to "political" to some, and completely benign to others. And in the end, when a sub bans "political" content, it usually comes down to what are the political leanings of the moderation or admin staff.

[–] timicin@kbin.social 54 points 2 years ago (9 children)

the "no politics" crowd is speaking from a place of intense privilege and i know this because politics and fucked my life and seeing people support politicians who are responsible for those politics is maddening.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago

indeed. there are states in the US that are nonviable for me to live for discrimination reasons. I don't have the ability to be ignorant

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[–] saxysammyp@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago

Politics, like it or not, is a big part of our culture. Art (memes included), comments on culture. I agree it can get exhausting, but it’s not something that we can hide from either. Personally, I prefer white quips about the subject compared to the doom scroll articles seen on political news communities.

[–] Kichae@kbin.social 18 points 2 years ago

Block the sub and find a meme community that's sanitized to your liking.

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[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Lmao that hat reminded me of this (short) video:

Edit: Piped doesn't seem to be working? Maybe an issue with Shorts. https://youtu.be/qowJStEn534

https://piped.video/watch?v=qowJStEn534

Also check out his other shorts, he never misses, legitimately great content.

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