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[–] emeralddawn45@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So can I use this to join my family's group chat because they all have iphones and refuse to use anything but Imessage...

[–] jo3shmoo@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, but they'll have to add you to the group chat using your Apple ID instead of your primary phone number unless you use one of the "workarounds" to get your number attached to iMessage.

https://airmessage.org/help/guide/phone-number

The workarounds listed are for Airmessage but they apply to Beeper as well in terms of getting your phone number attached. I've been using method #1 successfully for about a month now.

Ah so not as useful as I was hoping but still pretty neat. Thanks for the information!

[–] kquote03@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago

The way they got iMessage to work is by hiring a Foss developer who did something pretty amazing:

They reverse engineered the iMessage protocol and emulated parts of macOS that are necessary when registering an iMessage account on a device!!

https://github.com/beeper/pypush

[–] Ginjutsu@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Man, I have been loving Beeper so far.

[–] Matthew@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Is Google's RCS open? Last I heard, it was still limited to Google Messages, but it's been a long time since I've paid attention.

[–] theboomr@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Yeah good point actually... I'm still holding a little hope for RCS to finally be added to Textra someday so I can go back to that instead of Google Messages...

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 years ago

RCS has open spec, but implemanting it means dealing with phone networks and their policy. Also limiting operating systems like Android and iOS and a blocking factor.

No need to push it. Good old XMPP is better in every single way and exists since 1999. No tied to phone number, stable, proven, available on any device, with encrypted group calls and easy to host yourself.

[–] skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Alas, until they open it up more, it's kinda useless for anyone that isn't already using it

[–] LinuxSBC@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No, it's very useful. They open-sourced the bridge, so you can easily add it to your own Matrix server: https://github.com/mautrix/gmessages/tree/main

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

What I mean is that there's a "waiting list" to use the app.

Trad means that if you aren't already using it, the new features aren't useful yet.

I could probably have just said "anyone scrolling, be aware that there's a wait to use the app" to be a bit more clear.

[–] anonymoose@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

How do you mean? I'm actually kinda interested since I have friends on WhatsApp and Signal. Seems like it would make things more convenient by combining both messengers.

Is there a downside I'm missing?

Edit: they break E2E encryption for forwarding, so no dice :( https://www.beeper.com/faq#how-does-beeper-connect-to-encrypted-chat-networks-like-imessage-signal-whatsapp

[–] LinuxSBC@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

I don't see any downside, especially since it is mostly open source, so you can make your own server if you want. You'll get Element and Synapse rather than Beeper's fork, but it works well.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

There is that, but I meant that they are apparently weeks to months behind on their waiting list for new users. I've been on the list for a month now

[–] TurnItOff_OnAgain@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm still waiting for apple to cut it off.

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They have their own iMessage.

Their own imessage?

[–] mojo@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I avoid these multiple app messaging apps like the plague. Jack of all trades, master of none.

[–] rDrDr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

It's pretty good and it gives me iMessage on Android. Super useful.

[–] Cris_Color@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Anyone know what the beeper monetization model is? This is super cool, but I'm not sure how the company intends to monetize this, which always makes me a bit nervous

[–] jo3shmoo@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

In the future there are going to be certain features behind a "Beeper Plus" paywall. https://blog.beeper.com/p/beeper-is-now-free

[–] Cris_Color@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Thats super helpful, thanks for the link!

[–] bl4kers@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Cris_Color@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Very helpful, thank you for the link!

[–] Carter@feddit.uk 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Does Beeper offer anything that Matrix bridges don't?

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Is there a Matrix Bridge for RCS? RCS is neither SMS nor is it Google Chat.

Edit: this isn't to claim Beeper is better. Just stating that technically there is something on offer that Matrix Bridges doesn't support. I think I'd still prefer Matrix with Bridges over Beeper.

Edit: apparently Beeper is based on Matrix. Can't confirm whether their own repo would introduce any dependencies for their bridge that isn't in the main repo for Matrix. So it's hard to say.

[–] LinuxSBC@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes. "Beeper adding support" is really them making a new Matrix bridge, and they open source all of their bridges, so just use theirs. It's here: https://github.com/mautrix/gmessages/tree/main

[–] pjhenry1216@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

So that does change things, but doesn't necessarily confirm it would natively work with Matrix (though doesn't discount it either). Is there confirmation that mautrix bridges are cross-compatible to matrix? Technically Beeper is built off of mautrix which is based on Matrix but isn't necessarily the same as Matrix. I don't know much about Beeper as I only learned of it today.

[–] LinuxSBC@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that Matrix was a protocol, while mautrix was a client framework for the Matrix protocol written in Golang. Mautrix bridges are bridges for Matrix based on the mautrix framework. Beeper uses the Matrix protocol with some bridges (and maybe other components) based on mautrix; it's basically a proprietary commercial fork of Synapse and Element with better-integrated bridges. I have several mautrix bridges on my Matrix server, and every mautrix bridge I see (including gmessages) says it's for Matrix.

[–] thomcat@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago

I'm using 8 mautix bridges on my Matrix server: GMessages, Instagram, Facebook, WhatsApp, Discord, iMessage, Telegram, and Signal.

[–] olorin99@artemis.camp 1 points 2 years ago

It works, I've been using the bridge linked for about a month no issues so far.

[–] LinuxSBC@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

Beeper adds more polish, meaning that you don't need to manually configure bridges or maintain the Synapse server. It also gives you better indications of what bridge a room is from than Element does. If you know how to set up a Matrix server, you probably don't need it, but it's nice to have the option.

[–] kib48@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

isn't that what Beeper uses?