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Summary

The Pentagon warns that a potential government shutdown by Friday will halt military paychecks during the holidays unless Congress reaches a funding agreement.

Troops, including overseas and reserve forces, must continue reporting for duty unpaid, with federal civilian workers also affected.

The issue stems from House Republicans abandoning a spending plan after criticism from Donald Trump and Elon Musk over unrelated provisions, leaving lawmakers scrambling for an alternative.

Military leaders caution that this funding lapse will cause widespread disruptions, though such outcomes have been partially mitigated in past shutdowns.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 133 points 2 months ago (1 children)

President Musk does not give a fuck.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 67 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean did the Republicans give a fuck any of the other times they lead a government shutdown?

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago

They've been using it as a cudgel for years. Don't want to pass our objectively ridiculous budget proposal? Fuck you, shut it all down. They plan this in advance. As long as nobody budges an inch on anything they can reliably use federal workers as hostages in their "negotiations".

[–] Australis13@fedia.io 64 points 2 months ago

Trump doesn't care. He hates the military: https://lemmy.world/post/8041636

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago

No worries. Just don't vote for the draft dodging felon next time. If there is a next time.

[–] Zier@fedia.io 33 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If you voted for xelon, you deserve this. And the people around you who didn't vote for him get to shove it in your face and blame you for their pain.

It's a funny thought that the secret service is supposed to give their life to protect the president and the president elect. And now they are supposed to do so without pay.

That's a bold move cotton.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I know when I'm planning a hostile takeover of a world government I always piss off the military first thing. even better if you can do it by taking away their paychecks for Christmas.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Wait, did you think they wouldn't blame the Dems?

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hopefully it helps the troops make the right call when the orange VP and President Musk declare marshall law.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Orange Musk probably hope that only loyalists will stay enlisted and everyone else quits.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Because, as we saw in Iraq, having large amounts of competent military personnel no longer in the military because of politics walking among the general public leads to good long term outcomes.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

Are you seriously suggesting we try learning from the past?!?

A WITCH! BURN THEM!

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why are they calling Marshal that?

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Lol, I fixed the auto capitalization but didn't notice the spelling change.

[–] Joncash2@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Oh god I hope so. Recruitment is already falling fast in the US. No one wants to be soldiers. Which good, USA needs to stop being a warmongering nation. Less soldiers equals less wars, it's a simple numbers game. If you ALSO take away the paychecks of the few stupid enough to be loyal to this violent nation, well that's it, we're done.

*Edit: A literal starve the beast.

[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

The numbers stopped adding up years ago. There are 1.5 military contractors (largely not US citizens) for every 1 enlisted soldier in the US military. We just pay people to fight our wars. Otherwise we would have to draft and people would get upset about our endless wars again.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/costs/social/corporate

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You dont need a ton of people if you bomb everyone with autonomous drones, which is exactly what they are doing.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

True, but you do need people to man the nearly 800 military bases the US has around the globe and I’m sure pretty much everyone except the neoconservatives would like to see many of those shut down or transferred to be run purely by their host government

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

We can't fight wars with only drones any more than we could fight them with only airpower. At some point, there are always boots on the ground.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Israel is finding this out in real time.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Unfortunately a smaller volunteer army does not mean less war, it just increases the odds of conscription if we do get into a conflict.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Less soldiers equals less wars, it's a simple numbers game.

You underestimate Republican willingness to fight wars with low/no oversight civilian contractors.

[–] ramsorge@discuss.online 5 points 2 months ago

Drones instead of boots.

[–] Heikki@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

From what the right Wings news sources are saying, "It's the Dens fault the majority/ruling party can not get thier shit together"

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Standard response. It'll probably work.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Worked for McConnell. Fuck up everything, blame the president and/or democrats

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago

Sounds like financial terrorism

[–] blarth@thelemmy.club 11 points 2 months ago

It’s ok, they will pump AFN full of bullshit lies indicating Democrats somehow did this instead of Republicans.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Republicans are so good at the economy and foreign policy guys. The best.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Pretty sure they’ve always gotten paid after the fact. As long as everyone has plenty of savings to fall back on and this doesn’t happen over any major gift giving holidays ….. clearly one of those disconnected from reality situations, where the people making this decision have the means for that to not be serious, even if they let themselves be affected

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

Nothing ever happens.

[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Lmao Elon is just dangling their paycheck infront of them like a carrot on a stick

[–] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They voted for it

inaction is a choice.

[–] shield_gengar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Oh damn shucks oh no

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just turn it into severance. We need to cut the military

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

yes, just before a war.

such wise words....

[–] Belgdore@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

War with who? The only war that will happen will be because of the incoming administration.

[–] Dashi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

I mean, you kinda answered your own question. "What war?" "The war the incoming administration will probably start / pour fuel on is the only one I can think of"

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Just deploy them. Then they won't need their pay. I'm sure the US can find something for them to do.