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I just watched the last half of the full meeting. Zelensky asked what guarantees there are the Russians won't just invade again. The subtext of which is an offer to house US troops in Ukraine. But all the fucking clown car heard was a challenge to their machismo.
So they shouted him down and just loudly asserted he would either sign their deal or fight it out. Along the way they manage to insult him by treating him like a child and pretending that previous broken agreements, (invasion of Crimea, Invasion of Donetsk, and Invasion of Ukraine) were because Putin didn't respect the American President enough. But Putin is also the victim in all of this according to Trump.
I've seen better diplomacy from a high school football team.
For more subtext, if there were any real guarantees then this would not have happened in the meeting with the press. Zelensky would have told reporters there were guarantees. This entire blow up means that Trump already told him there would be no guarantees other than the honor system. Which, even if Trump is right, (Putin respects Trump and won't invade while he's president), Zelensky knows that means Putin will invade again in 2028 after Trump's term is over. And that's without getting into all of the implications about Putin holding this over Trump's head for concessions so Trump can appear to be the peacemaker.
I agree with Trump on one thing. We're fucking around with World War 3, but Trump isn't a peacemaker, he's Chamberlain. Right down to berating the leaders who are asking for help to stop the aggressive country.
JD Vance talking about diplomacy and accusing fucking Democrats of "beating their chest" was such bullshit I have no idea where to begin with that...which is probably the point.
How are they going to project the soft power of diplomacy when they're in the business of firing half of the people that work in that part of the government? This administration, and this country is a sick, unfunny fucking joke just like the heads of it.
I realize that the first half of that is speaking about what Trump thinks (as opposed to you claiming it yourself) so this isn't me trying to contradict you, but I think it's important that we all keep in mind the actual reality of the situation:
Putin doesn't respect Trump in the slightest; Trump is his useful idiot.
To the extent that it's true that Putin wouldn't invade while Trump is president, it's only because (a) neutering the US by having his patsy as President achieves pretty much all the same geopolitical goals as creating a buffer state out of Ukraine does anyway, and (b) making Trump look good as a "peacemaker" is self-serving because it helps keep his patsy in place longer.
Trump's not leaving in 2028, unless he's dead.
Trump's not Chamberlain either. He's Stalin, making a secret agreement with Hitler (Putin) to carve up Poland (Ukraine) like a thanksgiving turkey. (The analogy is a little awkward because Russia is playing the role of Germany in it instead of itself, but I was going by who attacked the country being carved up first.)
Well said, even if you take Trumps argument at face value it makes absolutely no sense to agree with