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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 111 points 1 day ago (4 children)

"69.16% of Americans are okay with fascism" isn't really a resounding defense of the health of American democracy in the face of fascism, though.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (5 children)

More people didn't vote at all than let this demented rapist burn everything down.

Fucking idiots.

[–] red@sopuli.xyz 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (4 children)

Empty votes plus Trump votes still mean the majority of US was for, or at least indifferent about getting a fascist as a president.

[–] elatedCatfish@lemm.ee 1 points 10 hours ago

Maybe those empty votes were all the non-existent and dead people stealing/defrauding social security like they've been saying!

/s

[–] Carrot@lemmy.today 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

I mean this is wrong for many reasons, not the least of which is all the road blocks put in place to dissuade people to vote. Look into how some places didn't put prepaid postage on mail-in votes, meaning people had to pay for the luxury to vote. Look at how the election is held the evening of a work day, and many people are unable to leave their jobs to go vote without risking their livelihood. Look at how people are randomly unregistered to vote without their knowledge (this happens to me every year, despite actively voting even in local elections and living in the same place.) Look at how they offered a boatload of money to people who voted Republican, despite how that has always been illegal.

You may say that these people are still at fault, and to some degree I agree with you, but if you haven't been so poor that you couldn't eat, couldn't keep your utilities on, couldn't drive anywhere extra because you have no money for gas or public transit, then you have no idea where a large portion of the would-be eligible voters are coming from.

On top of this, the Democrats didn't focus at all on how they were going to make poor people's lives better. While the Republicans straight up lied, they heavily covered how Trump would supposedly lift the working class out of poverty.

I live quite comfortably now, but I haven't always, and a huge part of what my fellow Democrats miss is just how desperate it makes you not having your daily needs met. Poor folks fall for the lies because the only thing they have a privilege of caring about is getting food on the table.

Sure, there are the bigots and the racists, and if someone voted R because of that, they are 100% the problem. But I'm pretty sure the majority of people who voted R or didn't vote were just busy trying to survive and hopeful that the lies Trump told would change their lives forever.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 5 points 19 hours ago

The attack on public education paid its dividends. A huge part of that 36% likely didn’t even know where, when, or how to vote. Never underestimate the stupidity of fellow humans, it’s a capacity we have in abundance.

[–] remer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Hands off my penush!

[–] cool@lemmings.world -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Maybe the democrats should stop running ruling class candidates while expecting the working class to "fall in line?"

How come you never blame the people doing the same thing but expecting different results? If history is anything to go by, choosing a female to run for president guarantees a trump victory.

It's a hard truth, but a truth nonetheless. Unfortunately you people have been conditioned to cover your ears to hard truths and just pretend reality is a different way.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe the democrats should stop running ruling class candidates while expecting the working class to “fall in line?”

Would you remind me who won the Dem primary in 2016, and who won in 2020?

How come you never blame the people doing the same thing but expecting different results?

God, the irony is painful.

If history is anything to go by, choosing a female to run for president guarantees a trump victory.

It’s a hard truth, but a truth nonetheless. Unfortunately you people have been conditioned to cover your ears to hard truths and just pretend reality is a different way.

The fuck

[–] cool@lemmings.world -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Would you remind me who won the Dem primary in 2016, and who won in 2020?

You already know the answers. Joe won because although he doesn't support the working class, he didn't have being a woman working against him. He also had the benefit of people voting trump out of office.

God, the irony is painful.

How so? I don't expect anything different. I expect this song and dance to go on until I die and probably quite awhile after.

The fuck

"Unfortunately you people have been conditioned to cover your ears to hard truths and just pretend reality is a different way." I rest my case.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You already know the answers. Joe won because although he doesn’t support the working class, he didn’t have being a woman working against him. He also had the benefit of people voting trump out of office.

... do you know what the fuck a primary is

How so? I don’t expect anything different. I expect this song and dance to go on until I die and probably quite awhile after.

[American voters choose candidates more conservative than most Lemmy users, myself included]

"Why are you blaming the voters for their choices?????"

[repeat every two years since 1992]

“Unfortunately you people have been conditioned to cover your ears to hard truths and just pretend reality is a different way.” I rest my case.

Bruh, you're out here pretending that the American working class is Secretly Left(tm). If there's anyone who needs a reality check here...

[–] cool@lemmings.world -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

… do you know what the fuck a primary is

I'm referring to the general.

Sorry, the rest of your comment is incoherent nonsense. I can tell you're just throwing ideas out there because you don't want to admit you may be wrong about something, despite how many people agree with you.

I have to block you now, because you people will never stop until I do. Goodbye.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I’m referring to the general.

Me:

Would you remind me who won the Dem primary in 2016, and who won in 2020?

You:

You already know the answers. Joe won because although he doesn’t support the working class, he didn’t have being a woman working against him.

Kind of sounds like you don't know what the fuck a primary is. Or who ran in 2016.

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You can't just blame a group of people for anything though, it's not like geographic boundaries determine morality.

Instead you gotta look at what happened this last election. Yeah there was inflation, and the polls point to that as a thing that swayed a lot of people. But the bigger factor was media capture by far-right oligarchs. The top cable news station, the top podcast, and the top social media network for news were all turned into maga propaganda this election. In that environment, the only question is why was it so close?

And unfortunately, until that changes the next elections are going to be the same. Trump's approval is down, but it's still higher than it was at this point his last term.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You can’t just blame a group of people for anything though, it’s not like geographic boundaries determine morality.

Culture, in large part, determines morality, and culture is heavily influenced by geopolitical boundaries.

As an American myself, I have no interest in #notallAmericans defenses. We made our fucking bed, we can lie in it.

Instead you gotta look at what happened this last election. Yeah there was inflation, and the polls point to that as a thing that swayed a lot of people. But the bigger factor was media capture by far-right oligarchs. The top cable news station, the top podcast, and the top social media network for news were all turned into maga propaganda this election. In that environment, the only question is why was it so close?

The same reason why it was close in 2020, and in 2016. The same reason why the Tea Party in 2010 took off, why Americans gave Bush Jr. a second term in '04, why the GOP in the 90s saw significant success in running towards fascism. The same reason why Reagan got two terms with overwhelming popularity, why Nixon was elected on a platform of disdain for minorities, why Goldwater was a hit in the GOP and took the South from the Dems in 1964 for the first time since the Civil War.

We are a broken nation which has never managed to fully reckon with the deeply rooted authoritarian character within our culture. Trump is just the first time when a major party has given full voice to that inner fascist cretin, and it found that the base liked nothing better.

No excuses, no crisis staring us in the face, no illusions of a Truly Democratic Leader waved about. A creature whose prior term displayed the full range of incompetence and malice towards everything from leftists to Christianity, and whose campaign rhetoric promised nothing more than to get worse in its conduct if elected again. Trump was the final presentation of the question, unambiguous, "Do you, Americans, want fascism?" A mirror looking us flat in the fucking face, and daring us to speak.

And our response was an overwhelming "Sure, why not."

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Culture, in large part, determines morality, and culture is heavily influenced by geopolitical boundaries.

Even if you meant ethics instead of morality, this is getting real close to some outright blood-and-soil nationalism by placing such cultural importance on border policy.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 59 minutes ago

Even if you meant ethics instead of morality, this is getting real close to some outright blood-and-soil nationalism by placing such cultural importance on border policy.

Jesus fucking Christ.

[–] GoodOleAmerika@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I think 100%. Both these parties don't work for middle class. Exceptions are Bernie and AOC. Without a third party pressure, we cannot win this oligarch war.