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[–] gargolito@lemm.ee 51 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Republican reality is artificial and unsustainable. It will take a long time but fascists always lose in the end.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Fascists always lose in the end

The Kim family has had almost 3 full generations of not facing any consequences for their actions in NK. The Saudi royal family has been living it up in luxury for decades. Sorry, but I think your statement is childishly idyllic and not reflective of the real world.

Karma doesn't exist. The good guys dont always win. Some of the most evil people imaginable will die peacefully in their sleep at the age of 90, wealthy, and surrounded by family that loves them.

[–] gargolito@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You confuse history with karma. Authoritarians don't outlast humanity. The "real world" bends in centuries, not decades. Your attempt at an argument is myopic and unsophisticated.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah no, he also has a point.

Humanity may survive but that is the same as saying not to worry about climate change because Earth will survive; it's of little help to me here, right now

The reality of the situation is that you don't know. Just because history worked in a certain way doesn't mean the future will, especially with the rapid changes we're facing today

[–] gargolito@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Every single authoritarian in history has fallen out faded away. Every single one. Will you and/or I see it? Probably not, although I hope that we are close to a cusp in history. The pendulum has been artificially pushed to the right, the current status has been built on lies and deceit - it can't be sustained.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The Roman empire still has a long lasting legacy to this day. There is a reason so many countries have the eagle on their standard. And where do you think the month August comes from? The empire as a whole is looked upon fondly in history, despite being one built from conquest and authoritarian rule, with its leaders still praised to this day.

I really don't think your take on the lasting effects of authoritarianism matches with reality.

[–] Lembot_0001@lemm.ee 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Only if they are stupid enough to start a war. Internationally peaceful fascists tend to rule until they are bored or die from old age.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The intersection of people who become fascist and people who don't want to declare war is small

[–] StJohnMcCrae@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 days ago

Argentina and Spain are good examples. Peron and Franco organized ratlines for Nazis fleeing the Nuremberg trials.

[–] PurpleTentacle@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And that sample size is pretty small. I wouldn't count on the US losing a war.

[–] Overspark@feddit.nl 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well the trade war isn't going great for them...

[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

America wouldnt come off very well in a 1v1 with China tbh I doubt either side would win but Alas.

[–] StJohnMcCrae@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

How so? China has a manpower advantage, but they don't have the capability to project that advantage beyond the mainland/local territorial waters. In what way would America not "come off well", when the enemy has no credible way of actually getting to us, and no way of supporting it's economy without international trade? Are they going to island hop from one American defensive position to the next, all the way across the Pacific, while also securing shipping lanes through the Indian ocean for the oil to make that possible?

Sounds like a bad time - for them.

[–] Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Im talking about the actual conflict zone, I dont think either side would be able to actually take ground in the others homeland but rather the militaries of both powers would maul eachother quite badly to a stalemate.

[–] StJohnMcCrae@slrpnk.net 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

A stalemate where China is locked into its territorial waters and has to rebuild its military while suffering a military blockade, medium and long range bombardment - while America retains freedom of navigation and inter-continental trade?

Doesn't sound like a stalemate to me. It sounds like a slow death. China is even more reliant on trade than we are and in a hot war, they lose the majority of their trading partners.

What does America lose?