In a show of solidarity with the Palestinian-led BDS movement, indie label Ice Water Games has removed one of its projects, open-world tactics RPG Tenderfoot Tactics, from the Xbox store.

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[–] HayadSont@discuss.online 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Your reply is much appreciated, fam! Unfortunately, I wasn't able to return right away. I thank you for your patience! Btw, I'm not native. So, if I misuse any terms/words/phrases or whatnot; my apologies. Usually, I put in some significant effort to alleviate this. Sadly, I didn't quite have the chance to do so this time. Thank you for your understanding!

Firstly, I'm glad we can have a civil discourse on this topic rather than resorting to personal attacks and namecalling. I also appreciate the fact that you seem like someone who actually wants to get to the truth rather than defending your stance no matter what.

Thanks fam for the compliments! Your engagement is (I think) (at least) equally commendable!

You're right. The people in the video are in fact publicly celebrating the 9/11 attacks which took the lives of thousands of innocent people. As you can see, it's not just grown ass men who are celebrating, but children and women too. If this is the level of hatred they have towards the United States, do I really need to explain how severe their hatred for Israel would be?

Btw, I understood the implied context of the footage. But, it would be intellectually dishonest if I didn't take into account the framing at hand. Cuz, if we were to be very critical of the footage itself (so without AP's provided text as guidance), then there's nothing explicitly there that connects those celebrations to the 9/11 killings; no burning of American flags or anything that would imply it. Granted, I assume neither of us speak Arabic. So that doesn't help either 😅.

Just to be clear, I'm well aware that this story is pretty much uncontested^[I did find this, but it seems to be a biased take.]. So I'm not actually disputing it. But, with the benefit of hindsight^[That is, the eventual wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.], it's hard to completely deny any ulterior motives for broadcasting said celebrations.

And to push back: is it sociologically-speaking strange for them to be glad that the biggest support of their rivals has received a retribution?

That's an easy question to answer. There would be one country and it would be called Palestine.

History has indeed taught us that that^[Nation states only exist since relatively recently. So, there has never been a Palestinian state or something. However, Muslim rule has dictated over those lands. My reading of history informs me that while Jews definitely weren't first-class citizens, they were fortunately not persecuted like we saw in other parts of the world.]'s a pretty likely outcome. But, I was also curious to hear your take on the other question. Namely, "What would become of the Israeli people?".

But they will be celebrating.

Likely indeed.

And they will want the whole world to see them celebrating. That's for sure.

For this, I'm not so sure. But it could be.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphinarium_discotheque_bombing#Aftermath

Ah, another celebration. I'm starting to notice a pattern :P .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWOw7YI7vzo

Another one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xPNTbtUHVc

This video I didn't pay a lot of attention to as the media outlet didn't seem to be as reliable as I'd like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-wyW-7iJwU

I think I got the message by now :P .

Again I want to be very clear that I'm not an Israeli sympathizer. I'm just trying to make a point that the Palestinians aren't the saints that the liberals (btw I'm a liberal myself) often portray them to be.

If sainthood is achieved through suffering alone, then I'd argue they would make a good chance. But yeah, I get where you're hinting at.

[–] monke@lemmy.cafe 1 points 19 hours ago

But, with the benefit of hindsight[2], it’s hard to completely deny any ulterior motives for broadcasting said celebrations.

AP is one of the most factual and unbiased news media out there. And the clip I shared just proves that. There was ZERO commentary accompanying it. It was just pure reporting of what actually happened. I mean the only other thing they could have done is simply not post the video. And would it be fair reporting if they intentionally suppressed the video?

is it sociologically-speaking strange for them to be glad that the biggest support of their rivals has received a retribution?

That's a fair question. But 9/11 wasn't a military war in which the US lost its soldiers or politicians who were responsible for war in the middle east. It was a cowardly suicide attack that took the lives of working innocent people who had absolutely nothing do with America's actions in the middle east. And celebrating that is in no way justifiable.

What would become of the Israeli people?”

Probably die fighting or migrate as refugees to other countries

If sainthood is achieved through suffering alone, then I’d argue they would make a good chance.

That was brutal lmao