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The Pentagon has halted shipments of critical US Patriot air defence systems and other precision weapons to Ukraine after concern that US stockpiles are running too low, prompting alarm in Kyiv.

At the end of last week’s Nato summit, Donald Trump hinted that supplies of Patriot missile interceptors were running down because some had been supplied to Israel, though he suggested he would like to help Kyiv.

After a meeting with Ukraine’s Volodymyr Zelenskyy, the US president acknowledged that Ukraine did “want to have the anti-missile systems, as they call the Patriots, and we’re going to see if we can make some available”.

But Trump added: “They’re very hard to get. We need them. We were supplying them to Israel,” implying that supporting Israel in its war with Iran – a priority for the Republican administration – had set back its willingness to help Kyiv.

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Harris could have told the truth and not run a far-right campaign.

? She said she supported Israel. That's telling the truth.

Muslims didn't agree with Harris so voted for Trump who said he supported Palestine. It's not theoretical. More Muslims voted for Trump. That's why there's an NPR article about their leopards eating faces moment.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 1 points 28 minutes ago

Harris said : As president, I will exert every effort to terminate the war in Gaza, secure the release of hostages, alleviate the suffering there, ensure Israel's safety, and guarantee that the Palestinian people can attain their rights to dignity, freedom, security, and self-determination"

She was lying

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, I mean she could have been truthful, and she could have run a leftward campaign.

As for Muslim voters, a small portion voted for Trump, but another portion voted for Jill Stein. If Harris wanted to get votes from Muslim voters, her and Biden could have not supported genocide.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, I mean she could have been truthful, and she could have run a leftward campaign

You mean she could have been an entirely different person? She supported Israel. To say otherwise would have been a lie.

Trump said he supported Palestinians and got Muslim votes in key states.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She could have run an entirely different campaign, one appealing to workers, but she didn't. Trump also said he supported Israel. Your point is veering on "muslims are too stupid to realize Trump is a Zionist too," which is horrible. Reconsider the options and see how Mamdani is doing very well, the US wants candidates to the left of the DNC, and the DNC won't do it because they'd rather lose.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She could have run an entirely different campaign

That has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that she didn't lie. You wanted her to be someone else. That's valid. But she didn't lie about her position on Israel.

Your point is veering on "muslims are too stupid to realize Trump is a Zionist too,"

Trump lied about Palestinians. I provided proof that it was believed and his lies influenced the election.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, you provided evidence of a minor swing and a testemonial from one person. This wasn't 4D chess.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I provided proof of one lie having an influence. It wasn't one person's testimonial.

"This year, President-elect Donald Trump received the most support out of any presidential candidate, with 42% of the vote in Dearborn. "

Muslims don't only live in Dearborn.

How is lying to win an election 4d chess?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Deerborn isn't entirely Muslim, either, many sat out of the election, and people still voted for Trump last election cycle in Deerborn.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Do you believe if Harris promised to support Palestine and immediately bring peace, she would have won the election?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

That would have helped, sure, but it would have had to be genuine. The real reason Harris lost is because she ran a right-wing campaign when the working class has been increasingly radicalized.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

but it would have had to be genuine.

Why does it matter that Harris had to be genuine but it's ok for Trump to lie to get those votes?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Because Trump never campaigned on being good for Palestine, you linked a liberal news site trying to shift the blame of a horribly run campaign from the DNC to muslim voters.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

National Public Radio reporting election statistics is liberal news. Nice to know who I'm arguing with.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-earns-endorsement-highly-respected-muslim-leaders-battleground-state

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

NPR is liberal, as is Fox News. Liberalism is the ideological superstructure of capitalism. Fox News are conservative liberals.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So election statistics and the fact that Trump was endorsed by Muslim leaders are irrelevant because of who reported it? If Jacobin doesn't cover a news story it didn't happen?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

More muslim leaders supported Jill Stein and Claudia De La Crúz, or called for a general boycott of the election. You're magnifying an ultimately small part of the election with the purpose of shifting the blame for Harris' loss to muslims, and not on the genocidal liberal DNC.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I already quoted the npr article that said Trump got more Muslim votes than any other candidate.

purpose of shifting the blame for Harris

I started this because of everyone defending Trump.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Nobody is defending Trump, and your article did not mention how many people sat out that would have voted, nor the people that voted for Stein and De La Crúz. You're dishonest, and running defense for a genocidal liberal.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This entire argument is that it was inevitable rather than a direct result of Trump's actions.

That's defending Trump. Trump tore up the Iran non proliferation deal.

What's next? "It was inevitable that illegal ICE raids would happen. Biden would have been the same as Trump. Biden would have ended DEI."

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Are you saying directly committing genocide is an inevitablity? Where's the accountability for the DNC?

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 56 minutes ago (1 children)

The OP did! He claimed that this wasn't Trump's fault. Did you not know you're defending Trump?

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 1 points 42 minutes ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago)
  1. I'm a woman and

  2. that's not what I fucking said. Don't put fucking words in my mouth.

Trump could, hypothetically, choose to supply Ukraine with weapons if and only if he stopped supplying Israel with weapons. That obviously isn't going to happen because Israel gets priority over Ukraine, because they're the unsinkable aircraft carrier. I said this was inevitable because Israel was always going to get the priority no matter who the president is and no matter which party controls Congress. Trump chooses to support Israel over Ukraine because that's what every US politician would always do.