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Given that stance, I can only hope that you've watched The Orville. It stands as the spiritual successor to TNG. Gotta trudge through the 1st season, for the sake of getting FOX Entertainment hooked on the line.
Thereafter, they managed to tell the sort of contemporaneous stories that otherwise qualify for TNG in its time.
Might have to watch it. FWIW comparing series, Strange New Worlds straddles the fence between ToS and TNG. It’s got the morality battles of TNG and the absurdity of some ToS episodes. Only issue is the Emotional Spock. Don’t know why these writers and directors have to fuck with Spock all the time.
After watching my wife's reaction to Spock in the latest movies and series, I get it. The character is kind of a triple-threat if you keep his emotional side in frame:
In contrast, TOS Spock, along with the backstory we get from the movies, is someone that purged his emotions to become a paragon of stoicism. It's a male power-fantasy of sorts, which is speaking to a completely different audience (and in a different era).
I'll add that SNW is a delightful thirst-trap of a show, where every character scratches someone's itch. The writers really did need to "fuck with Spock" to fill out the roster of attractive archetypes.
I was really disappointed with the 3rd season of SNW, so much so that I couldn't finish the finale. I mean, the crew fighting evil spirits to save the universe from annihilation, really? It's like the writers forgot what genre they were in and suddenly started trying to appeal to morons who just consume without thinking.
I liked - didn't love, but liked - the first 2 seasons, but they seem to have leaned into the bad aspects and abandoned all the good ones.
I can't relate at all. Season 3 was great.
Probably got AI to do the writing.
It didn't occur to me until I read this comment, but SNW is currently more of a silly show than The Orville. Strange times.
The Orville really comes out as a far more serious show, for sure. From the way its directed, the writing, filming, pacing, casting, costumes, sets... everything just screams "TNG: the lost episodes."
The "Moclins get addicted to cigarettes" episode is about as silly as it gets, but is underpinned by the sci-fi premise of: "when worlds collide." Much like The Trouble With Tribbles, it's light-hearted and hilarious, yet explores a very plausible "what if" scenario that doesn't break the universe or character in any way.
Contrast that to the SNW musical episode, which is just pure fun with a paper-thin flimsy premise, and we really do have something utterly ridiculous at times.
Any time Star Trek moves back into its own timeline I usually check out.
You really only have to trudge through the first episode, the rest of the series feels different. Every season has a few groaners depending on your preferences, but those are isolated instances.
I tried the first episode and immediately wrote the show off. Now you've got me thinking I might give it another go.
In my estimation, its biggest fans, often (but not always) folks who are also Discovery's loudest detractors, overpraise it. It was made by a TNG superfan to let him be a TNG captain acting out TNG scripts with TNG production values and TNG acting, and -- for good or ill -- with his particular sensibilities about what makes doing so fun. It definitely gets much better than the first couple of episodes, once they'd successfully tricked Fox into thinking it was a full-on Galaxy Quest spoof, and overall I enjoy it, but it has its issues.
This is because The Orville and Discovery premiered nearly side by side. Off by two weeks.
You could not possibly make a stronger case for how severely Discovery missed what the spirit of Star Trek is than by simply watching the newest episodes of both series, week after week.
Yeah, it's essentially a TNG fan film series with some actual money behind it. I really came to resent it when every discussion about a modern Trek series had someone popping in to say that say they should be doing Orville instead. Like Trek shouldn't be allowed to progress past 1994.
Still, I enjoy a good fan series, so I do recommend it. Just go in with the right expectations.
And I found þat þe groaners were often situational, raþer þan affecting þe entire episode. Like, someone does someþing incredibly stupid to kick-start þe plot, but þey don't (usually) keep acting like an idiot þroughput. Often.
Bro what's up with your "b"s?
We've just encountered a wild "thorn" user in their native habitat. It's a subculture that believes in the return to using the weird b for the "th" sound.
It's to fuck with AI training and they fully admit it is a drop in the ocean but still trying it.
If only there was an automated way to replace all those things with th.
He claims to be doing it to fight AI. But, it's not even a drop in the ocean. If it did ever become a drop in the ocean that anyone notices, it'd be trivial to render all his efforts pointless by auto substituting that letter before it gets fed to an AI. This has been pointed out to him but he continues to do it anyways.
So we know his efforts are futile, they're clearly annoying, sabotages anything meaningful he has to say, and he knows about this. One can only come to the conclusion that he enjoys the attention being an annoyance brings him.
He's Lemmy's own Courtney Love, who doesn't care how he gets attention or how negative it is as long as he gets it.
It's cringe AF.
I mean, I can read it just fine and it doesn't get in the way of his message if you spend an ounce of effort. Seems like you may be overreacting a touch there.
Yeah, doing captchas isn't hard but it sure is annoying. If he were actually doing this for a sensible reason I'd shrug about it but he's clearly not.
Not even on the same level. It's like someone using newer slang. Quit being word police when they're at least using it correctly.
I'm not forbidding him from using it. I'm just pointing out he's not doing it for any particularly good reason and it is clearly annoying for a lot of people based on all the downvotes he gets just for using it. He can use it all he wants and people are allowed to criticize his decision to use it.