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[–] Pilferjinx@lemmy.world 72 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'd take some less evil, please.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Sorry. The Democrats sued less evil off the ballot.

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[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago
[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (21 children)

This meme made sense in 2012, not when the Republican Party has decided to be the Anti-Democratic Party.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If anything Democrats have moved further to the right recently

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[–] Sibshops@lemm.ee 24 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I don't understand why people who think this don't advocate for ranked choice voting. Seems like it would solve this issue, right?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It doesn't. There are plenty of bourgeois democracies that don't use FPTP for all their voting: Japan, Australia, South Korea for some of their elections. Doesn't make a difference (except it might make the bribery a bit more expensive, since you have to buy off more political parties than just two).

The fundamental problem is capital standing above political power. If it does so, then no amount of alternative voting systems can fix the issue. Socialism is the only answer.

[–] darthelmet@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Even if it would, how would it ever get passed when the people who would need to pass it are the ones who are only in office because the system works the way it currently does?

This is just a recurring theme I've found when talking with liberals. They like to think about and suggest all sorts of policy ideas as though all we're missing are some smart ideas nobody has thought of. It's one thing to say we should have this, but it's another to have any idea of how it'd be possible to do. Since they have no actual analysis of the system, they'll just turn around and tell you to vote or call your representative. "We should get money out of politics!" "Yeah, well we checked with the people giving us money and they said no. So..."

[–] Sibshops@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

I imagine it wouldn't be difficult at least at the primary level. The same party has the power and they can get rid of less desirable candidates like Fetterman.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

No, RCV wouldn't. The fundamental problem of electoral politics being a game between factions pre-approved by the bourgeoisie won't change, there are even safeguards preventing unwanted change that losing parties and government branches can pull in the rare event a worker party won.

It's the perfect carrot, it won't get passed nor would it change much.

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[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You have a few options for enacting ranked choice voting at the national level:

  1. Win hundreds, possibly thousands, of state-level House and Senate seats with the largest grass roots voter mobilization ever seen in the US to, a) enact legislation in all 50 states or b) ratify an amendment to the constitution, that mandates it.

  2. Kill enough republicans in a national civil war to make sure that when elections happen, there aren't enough republicans left to win an election, then enact the above.

  3. Overthrow the entire US government in a much bloodier national coup and set up whatever government you want.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Kill enough republicans in a national civil war

And democrats, too. Don't pretend they're not just as responsible for keeping fptp voting, their party depends on it. If you don't believe me, look into how coordinated the GOP and Democrats were when suing PSL and the Green party to keep them off several state ballots (and severely whittle down their grassroots funds with corporate-money lawfare). Spoiler: there was no overlap.

It's one party, two wings.

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[–] Commiunism@beehaw.org 7 points 2 days ago

Imma be real as an European, we kinda have the same problem here even with better voting systems. You either vote for "nothing ever happens" parties or literal Russia funded reactionary nazis.

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[–] wiLD0@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Relative to the other fully developed countries, a mainstream Democrat is a homeopathic liberal.

[–] esc27@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Scenario I've been playing with:

Suppose you are kidnapped by two people. They tell you that one of them will shoot you and then let you go, but you get to decide who shoots. Person A says he will shoot you in the head. Person B says he will shoot you in the shoulder. Which do you choose?

The more think about this the more I like it. Both persons are clearly awful and contributed to the situation. Both could offer better choices but refuse. Both are rather similar in outcomes. But one is clearly worse.

Is it rational to choose to be shot at all? Is it rational to not choose the better of two alternatives?

[–] Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago

If you don't choose, then someone else chooses for you

[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This is a false dichotomy though. I'd argue the fact that "escape" doesn't even cross your mind in this hypothetical scenario is damning.

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[–] PineRune@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

Then the people who claim to love you choose for you and say that getting shot in the head would be better for you. Any attempt to convince them otherwise is met with absolute disbelief.

[–] Sludgeyy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Bank robber. Get away driver.

Would be a good analogy.

Yes, the bank robber shot and killed the clerk.

But they are both bank robbers

Who is more evil? The one that does the act or the one that enables it?

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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Seems OG Lemmy hardcore dems have been overrun by critically thinking individuals.

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