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[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 13 minutes ago

I was reading an interesting article the other day about how after World War II people were obviously opposed to populism, and by the '80s and certainly the '90s people that were born after the war had lost the awareness of the danger that hero worship creates.

At the same time, many organizations including government organizations had failed to update themselves over the years, so people romanticized the idea of someone walking in and magically making the correct snap judgments that would remedy the situation. This was so pervasive in the business world I think in part because it allowed corporate executives to justify f****** over ordinary employees. If the company makes or breaks because of one person at the top, who cares if you're paying people minimum wage and they can't even afford to pay for dental care or a car.

What amazed me is how long that vision of Steve Jobs stuck around. Even in recent years people have been praising him, but if you think of the value in his company, it's mostly a load of s***. Those phones and computers are incredibly overpriced, and they have so many bad aspects, especially lock-in, which most people intuitively understand these days. And still we have Apple addicts.

[–] Little8Lost@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

An apple a day keeps the doctor away

[–] cdkg@lemm.ee 12 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Steve jobs ain't a genius. He was just a good salesman.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The sales people almost always end up doing well in companies. And then when they get high up in the company they only value others ability to make sales and work for bonuses. As time goes on a company's e-suite gets more and more saturated with charismatic dummies who will do anything for a buck, leaving less room for good administrators and engineers.

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

Small thing, but I've never heard it called an e-suite, only c-suite. I assume the "e" stands for executive vs the "c" being chief.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 70 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

He tried to fight P.C. with apples.

[–] JDPoZ@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago

Jesus Christ. That is fucking poetry.

[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 16 points 12 hours ago

where’s the lie?

[–] narfer@lemm.ee 22 points 14 hours ago

This 😂. A fucking genius choosing pseudoscience...

[–] LucidLyes@lemmy.world 48 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Jobs paved the way for Musk. I hate that he's so often cited as a genius to look up to in the tech world

[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 17 points 12 hours ago

The behind the bastards episodes on Jobs was really eye-opening to just how awful of a leader he was

[–] einfach_orangensaft@sh.itjust.works 29 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

People mistaking Marketing people for tech genies happens to often.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 1 points 53 minutes ago

Maybe, but then you also have people like my brother who basically worship Jobs, and say shit like "Wozniak is expendable."

I told him people like Wozniak are the real geniuses who actually make shit work, and he told me straight faced that without people like Jobs people like Wozniak will probably just have a desk job.

[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 11 hours ago

I find it really amusing to know Bill Gates ones made fun of him:

"Steve's achievements are all the more impressive when you know that he couldn't look at a piece of code and know what it was."

However he also said:

"Clearly, he had so many skills that I didn't, but we were both a little bit pied pipers in terms of getting people to work ridiculous hours."

Which really should tell you everything you need to know given who made the money and how many people were made to work "ridiculous hours".

[–] wieson@feddit.org 38 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Back on the old site on one of those text based subreddits there was a question posted:

Would you rather have free WiFi wherever you go, or any apple product you wish at any time.

My (then unrotted) brain was like: mmh WiFi everywhere is good, but apple cake, apple pie, apple sauce, apple spritz, apple cider, apple strudel, dried apples... Yeah I'm going with apple products

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Wifi might become obsolete some time in the future, but apple pie is eternal.

[–] Slovene@feddit.nl 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] And009@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 8 hours ago

Apple cream pie

[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 49 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Also bought his way up the organ donor list even after he took so long ignoring it, passing over a bunch of people who should have had claim to it and some who died instead, all just so he could die anyway because he took too long to get treatment. Failed so hard multiple people died.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Source on this? I read that Tim Apple offered a donation and Steve refused. I have not read that he had the surgery.

[–] Sporkbomber@lemm.ee 5 points 8 hours ago

He did get a transplant, in TN. Not in CA where he lived. He used his wealth to add himself to a areas with more donors and fewer on the wait list because he could hop on a jet unlike normal plebians.

[–] easily3667@lemmus.org 27 points 18 hours ago

You can literally just look on Wikipedia. Tim cook offered part of his, jobs said "nah I want a whole one from some poor person" and the rest is history.

[–] Juice@midwest.social 56 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Being rich makes you so divorced from consequences that you start to believe that what is in your brain is what is real. Money isn't what we think it is.

[–] shortrounddev@lemmy.world 15 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Money is like radioactive material. Having a little bit in your house probably is fine but having a mountain of it will make you hole up in a Las Vegas hotel with tissue boxes for shoes

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[–] BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works 12 points 18 hours ago

These words resonate so hard with me that my head is ringing like a bell right now. “Money isn’t what we think it is.” ^5, you.

[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The truth of genius is its only momentary and usually highly specific.

[–] ScoobyDope@lemm.ee 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Except for Euler. That guy was on a hot streak for his entire life.

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 5 points 9 hours ago

Ramanujan did pretty good, just died young.

[–] Tiger_Man_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 108 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 26 points 19 hours ago

Not to mention the actual pioneer of generic-text languages, the inventor of the compiler, Grace Hopper.

https://www.biography.com/scientist/grace-hopper

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 11 points 17 hours ago

I highly doubt the consequences of Dennis Richie not existing. Yes, his work was foundational, but he didn't do it on his own, and if he wasn't around, someone else would've filled in.

The same is true for Steve Jobs. In fact, most of his contribution was being a jerk to people so his ideas won. He had a clear vision, but his internal implementation was... iffy.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 16 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

My crusading teenage ass posted this in 2011 on social media. Nobody cared lol

[–] BJ_and_the_bear@lemm.ee 5 points 8 hours ago

Fact of the matter is way more people know who Steve Jobs is compared to Dennis Ritchie, so it’s no wonder his death garnered way more attention too. But the sentiment still stands IMO

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 45 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Only fanboys. The same kind that worship Musk or any other fellated-by-the-press CEO as some kind of hero. They softball any criticisms and turn them into positives - “He murdered a bunch of kids, but the creativity he got from the blood splatter and time spent in court-ordered community service got us this addictive device we’re all fawning over…let’s justify the ridiculous price and wait in line for one!” Something about objectively shitty people heading up organizations seems to attract sycophants and bootlickers.

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[–] UniversalMonk@sh.itjust.works 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Well they do sorta have a point. Even Jobs said he shouldn't have ignored treatment for so long.

[–] Classy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The view from halfway down

[–] bss03@infosec.pub 4 points 9 hours ago

Toes untouch the overpass soon he’s water-bound. Eyes locked shut but peek to see the view from halfway down.

A little wind, a summer sun a river rich and regal. A flood of fond endorphins brings a calm that knows no equal.

You’re flying now, you see things much more clear than from the ground. It's all okay, or it would be were you not now halfway down.

Thrash to break from gravity what now could slow the drop? All I’d give for toes to touch the safety back at top.

But this is it, the deed is done silence drowns the sound. Before I leaped I should've seen the view from halfway down.

I really should’ve thought about the view from halfway down. I wish I could've known about the view from halfway down—

-- "The view from halfway down" by Alison Tafel (excerpted)

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 77 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I mean, fucking up is a common thing people do and is an integral part of the human condition. What should be emphasized about Jobs case is that he fucked up his own liver, learned the cause and treatments, used his wealth to cut in the waiting line to get a liver transplant, and then fucked his second liver just the same way. This is the definition of terminally stupid, and no UX focus will ever change that.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I remember reading a story a while back about the documentary they were making on him. He had his special diet of juices and supplements and whatnot, which he claimed helped him while his liver was failing. The actor who portrayed him started following the same diet to better get in character. Only then he collapsed on set with liver problems. They did a full medical work up and basically told him whatever you're doing stop doing it because it's killing you. He went back to his normal diet and he was fine. Raising the serious question, did Steve Jobs outsmart himself to death? If he had given up all the diets and supplements and whatnot might he have lived?

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