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Yes, this means a ton of carbon ends up in the atmosphere instead of in the trees. The right move would be thinning and prescribed burns, but this administration isn't going to do that.

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[–] Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca 9 points 52 minutes ago

Holy shit, America, you are so fucked at this point.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 38 minutes ago
[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 minute ago

Gee, why wouldn't I want to cede my country to American management and become the 51st state? You guys are knocking it out of the park, no pun intended.

[–] pelicans_plight@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

I predict that any company that participates in destroying the parks will end up even worse off then Tesla. I've been a hiker my whole life and I've met a lot of retired military on the trail.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 hours ago

Drill, drill, drill! Cut, cut, cut! Slash, slash, slash! Burn, burn, burn! You guys carry on I have to go golfing.

[–] Eyedust@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

RIP My first thought. Seems appropriate.

Just fyi, I'm pointing out Trump's similarities to an evil villain. I'm not using this to agree. I'm very much against this, having grown up in the woods (practically raised by my local forest, as my mother was an awful drunk and single parent) and I spent most of my youth walking through the peace and quiet of the trees.

I grew up with my mother seeing nothing but my father in me, and was abused for it. Those trees gave me the shelter I needed and I would have been 100x more a mess if I didn't have them. So no. Don't take my fucking trees en masse.

[–] mosscap@slrpnk.net 27 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

My body is not ready for the amount of alcohol and dancing I am going to force myself to take part in on the day this motherfucker dies and goes to hell.

Literally, the most destructive and evil human on the planet since Hitler. I can't wait until the worms get him. I kind of feel bad for them, but I guess it's part of the job.

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

That scene in the matrix 2

[–] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

So I just want to chime in here as an outsider. From what I searched, national forests are different from national parks in that, extraction of natural resources from national forests is permitted for commercial and personal use.

Trump's order cites wildfire, insect and disease outbreak as the reason for this change (Biden also sought more logging to combat fire but apparently timber sales did not change much during his tenure). While I agree that forest management is important, Trump had also put tariffs on Canadian lumber and cut down jobs for national park workers. It's not hard to question if there are other motivations other than wildfire prevention in this context.

[–] yarr@feddit.nl 24 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Finally, a good move by Trump. Those trees are taking up incredible amounts of water. This is water that could be used for more productive things, like being mixed with Kool-aid powder on a hot day. Moreover, the trees emit large amounts of oxygen, a dangerous corrosive gas. Don't listen to liberals -- tree hugging is a dangerous activity that can lead to abrasions from all the bark.

If there's anything I learned from Dr. Seuss' "The Lorax", logging can lead to impressive industrial and commercial activity and has no downsides.

[–] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 2 points 1 hour ago

It's insane that I'm 99% sure this is sarcasm, but that 1% has a voice telling me I can't discount Maga being that stupid. This is the age we live in, incredible stupidity.

[–] PantanoPete@lemmy.zip 53 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

America is a dumpster fire lol, they have all these "checks and balances" but then one guy can just make all the trade policy and land use decisions by decree. What even is the point of their congress

[–] untorquer@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

All governments at some level run on the honor system. When the whole government colludes to not honor the system, you get this.

[–] silence7@slrpnk.net 21 points 12 hours ago

The problem is that Congress is controlled by people who are Trump sycophants — the Republican Party kicked out everybody who wasn't.

[–] d0ntpan1c@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 12 hours ago

Problem is that both houses majorities support the lunatic, right now they've more or less given him a blank check to operate.

Historically, the two party system has meant that Congress either votes with the presidents wishes or against when it comes to legislation, but Congress doesn't directly approve/disprove of executive orders. To oppose executive orders, Congress needs to pass laws that override the orders. That wont happen unless the majority becomes convinced they'll lose elections if they keep supporting trump.

It'll be up to the Judicial Branch to directly rule for/against this order. But the judicial branch only truly has power so long as the executive complies. We're close to hitting the test of that power balance on some of his earlier orders.

Fun fact: the law enforcement of the Judicial Branch is technically an agency under the Executive Branch. Not a problem if people are largely operating in good faith with the law, or at least fear repurcussions if they don't comply... But since Trump doesn't fear repurcussion, this fun fact may be the oversight that breaks the consitution.

[–] sfu@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

There isn't much purpose for congress anymore. Biden was doing the same thing. I think we should just do away with presidents, only have the House and the Senate. If nothing else, stop allowing the presidents to use executive orders. They really aren't legal the way they are used.

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Any solution that stops short of essentially a factory reset (really should go further tbh) is going to land us here again

[–] sfu@lemm.ee 1 points 8 hours ago

There is a lot wrong, that's for sure.

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Those are our national Forests, they don't belong to fascist billionaires like Trump and Musk! Resist, fight back, and let's tell these Nazis they can't strip our environment, government, healthcare and democracy to give tax breaks to rich people...

[–] Neps@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 hours ago

I hate this.

[–] SolidShake@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

this is so fucking retarded. it is going to take longer than his term to build fucking logging factories and its going to cost millions of dollars. plus you have to hire these people and drivers. and guess what? since it's "american" it will just cost more for some reason anyways like everything else "American made" does. what an actual joke for the sheep

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 14 points 11 hours ago

I agree with everything you said... except the ableist slur. I have worked with special needs people and they can be some of the sweetest, most genuine, hardest-working people you'll meet! Please ditch the outdated term, we need to be better than that...

[–] match@pawb.social 1 points 8 hours ago

guess we protesting to stop logging next

[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Meanwhile we get shamed for not reusing the plastic containers we're forced to purchase with our basic groceries.

May time and tide fuck a pres up the arse

[–] Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world 30 points 17 hours ago (2 children)
[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

You've got to be careful how you word it lest the gestapo come for you. I will derive pleasure from reading his obituary though.

I will also say that 18 U.S. Code § 2381 says that he should be well, you know. Or fined and put in jail for five years but that's not as fun.

[–] the_q@lemm.ee 11 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I got a mod deletion the last time I said anything like this. Good luck and I fucking agree.

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[–] j_elgato@leminal.space 4 points 12 hours ago

Assuming the other half is where they plan to install the oil derricks...

[–] stormdahl@lemmy.world 26 points 18 hours ago

That is just... Insane. Incredibly sad.

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