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[–] Siresly@lemm.ee 45 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This sounds like actual impactful consequences and accountability for the rich exploitative asshole executives actually responsible? Did I forget to wake up in the morning?

[–] Vari@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Let’s go Germany!! Shouldn’t be the exception to the rule

[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 273 points 1 week ago (12 children)

I long for the day that ANYTHING close to this happens in the USA

[–] tal@lemmy.today 137 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I long for the day that ANYTHING close to this happens in the USA

I guess you've good news, then.

Across the Atlantic, two former VW engineers — Oliver Schmidt and James Robert Liang — are already serving prison sentences in the U.S. Schmidt, who once led VW’s environmental office in the U.S., was sentenced to seven years after initially denying guilt but later reaching a plea deal. Liang received 40 months after cooperating with prosecutors.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 96 points 1 week ago (3 children)

To salvage the argument, it's quite possible this would have been different if they were from GM rather than VW.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 38 points 1 week ago

It most likely would‘ve. Just look how quickly US courts started to turn Monsanto into shreds the very second Bayer bought it. They‘re after that so called stupid German money. Wouldn‘t work if it was American money.

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[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 1 week ago (1 children)

two former VW engineers

Yeah, unless they are Chief Engineers, these two are just people who got caught in the churn.

Wake me up when the President of US Operations gets sentenced to prison. Hell, I'll even be okay with club Fed.

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

They are like the one guy who went to jail for the 08 financial crisis

[–] nulluser@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

two former VW engineers

Not CEOs

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[–] MajesticElevator@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

When you don’t read the article ^

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 60 points 1 week ago (15 children)

While I see your point, it’s important to note that the people jailed in the US were called “engineers”, not “executives”.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 169 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m used to executives being above the law. I had to read the article to be sure the title wasn’t clickbait.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 70 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It is very puzzling, isn't it? Why VW execs are put in jail and banking execs that created a global recession get off scot free?

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 79 points 1 week ago (2 children)

oh that's easy. the VW execs were under the jurisdiction of a country that gives a fuck and knows what the consecuences of unchecked greed are. the bankers were under the jurisdiction of a country that thinks maybe a little bit of fascism wouldn't be so bad, all things considered

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[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 155 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In Canada we were told that putting execs in jail would "hurt jobs" and we had to pass a law that said they just get a fine instead.

The execs in question were caught selling hookers to Qaddafi's son.

[–] SpiceDealer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Do you have any more info on that particular story? Research purposes.

[–] pticrix@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Search for SNC-Lavalin + Saadi Gadhafi, you'll get a lot of hits, for many different things. SNC-Lavalin was such a corrupt firm. Still are, most likely, though they changed name to AtkinsRéalis.

(To note : a few high positioned people got sent to prison over the years, but I don't know enough about this particular case to know what really happened.)

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 77 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Before anyone becomes too happy: the post’s title is inaccurate, the two people sent to jail are only middle managers:

[–] colourlessidea@sopuli.xyz 29 points 1 week ago (5 children)

What’s Volkswagen’s org structure like? I wouldn’t normally expect a department head to be middle management.

[–] paranoia 18 points 1 week ago

I mean the diesel engine department would probably be quite big for a company like Volkswagen. Each engine type has a team of engineers and a manager.

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[–] wulrus@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago

One insanity in the following years was how they thought people still wanted their next generation diesel.

I've been working for them in the 2010s with the department to organise the staff car fleet. We ordered many electric vehicles years ahead from production and planned it all around electric vehicles: Charging stations, operating distance, some hybrids for long distance, software to calculate trips etc.

Then a few months before we needed them, they said: We overproduced on the latest diesel generation and can't keep up with the demand for electric vehicles, so we have to sell the ones you ordered. You can either go with a Tesla (for official Volkswagen business trips!) or have the diesel for free.

It felt like there was a hysteria: Decision makers got it in their heads that the "hype" for electric vehicles was ideology-driven and not something people with buying power actually wanted today or in the near future. Bit like the republican administration thinking that "woke" is our main problem. Meanwhile, huge research and development departments did come up with the electric vehicles they sell today (and fully working hydrogen prototypes you won't see in a store, just to be safe) and must have been quite frustrated that so few were produced.

[–] anonymous1979@lemmy.ca 64 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This! Finally! This will make other execs scratch themselves behind the ears and consider their life choices. Fines for the company they work for won't, as these same execs just budget these fines into the crimes they're planning to commit.

Fuck these frauds, hope they stay in for years.

Also, continue doing this, jail all the execs that break the law.

[–] DrunkEngineer@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Despite what the headline says, no execs went to jail. The two who were punished with jail terms were middle management.

Martin Winterkorn, the CEO, will probably avoid any serious consequences.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I only have cursory knowledge of this incident, but: It's possible that was the right outcome. A lot of middle managers do some heinous shit, and then report only positive news to upper management with a "Don't worry about it" attitude.

We all know there's also evil CEOs in the world as well, but maybe the investigation found this wasn't one of them. 'Course, maybe they were just better at keeping plausible deniability.

[–] DrunkEngineer@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

The Board had discussions about how to stonewall California. US prosecutors have filed charges against the CEO but Germany won’t extradite.

They are all guilty as fuck.

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[–] theotherbelow@lemmynsfw.com 56 points 1 week ago

Neat! Punishing conspiracy and engineered lying is a good thing!

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Was this really that hard? If money can buy justice then there is no justice.

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[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Good. Finally they're facing some actual consequences for their actions.

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

The dieselgate scandal is why I am so disappointed when I heard that Volkswagen outsold Tesla in Europe for the number one spot since the start of the year. I have been hoping it would a more scrupulous company (and non-Chinese EV manufacturer) that took the number one spot for European EV cars sold.

[–] unskilled5117@feddit.org 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Most people don’t know that it wasn’t just VW. Sadly I don‘t think you will find any moral acting car manufacturer out there.

Automakers who have been caught using a defeat device within a diesel vehicle, in a similar manner to Volkswagen include: Jeep and Ram under FCA[391] (now a part of Stellantis), Opel[392] (when under GM), and Mercedes-Benz.[393]

While not all using defeat devices, diesel vehicles built by a wide range of carmakers, including Volvo, Renault, Mercedes, Jeep, Hyundai, Citroen, BMW, Mazda, Fiat, Ford and Peugeot[48][49] had independent tests carried out by ADAC that proved that, under normal driving conditions, many diesel vehicles exceeded legal European emission limits for nitrogen oxide (NOx), some by more than 10 times, and one by 14 times.[49]

Beyond exclusively diesel or passenger vehicles, automakers such as: Hino[414] (subsidiary of Toyota), Hyundai and Kia,[415] Nissan,[416] Mazda, Yamaha Motors, Suzuki,[417] Subaru,[418] and others have been proven to be falsifying fuel economy or emissions on non-diesel powered and/or commercial vehicles.

Soure (Wikipedia)

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (7 children)
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[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 week ago

US Republicans be like "ANTI-BUSINESS! Enjoying communism?"

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Anyone have a link without the anti GDRP cookie trackers?

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[–] nao@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The fallout forced CEO Martin Winterkorn to resign, although he denied wrongdoing. U.S. authorities issued an arrest warrant for Winterkorn in 2018, but Germany does not extradite its nationals. His trial in Germany was paused in 2021 due to health issues, but he remains a key figure under investigation.

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