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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Hard agree. I'm not dyslexic, but I also occasionally mark text to keep progress, especially if it's a long piece. And if I really want to copy that text, I will, sometimes just out of spite that you're trying to outsmart me, and I'm more likely to leave your site sooner too.

Also, while we're at it, can you please leave scrolling behaviour alone and not override it? I have a nice mouse that lets me scroll as fast or as slow as I want to. In some rare cases with a fancy UI where one wheel notch scrolls a whole page I agree that overriding the behaviour is warranted. In all other cases just FUCKING LEAVE SCROLLING AS IS (as handled by the OS and the browser) and don't try to be fancy; if you try to be fancy for no particular reason, I'm more likely to leave your site ASAP rather than prefer it over other sites.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

Also please stop using light colored text on light colored backgrounds, it's a stupid idea. Thanks for your attention.

[–] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 17 hours ago

For PC, extra functions should be in the context menu in my opinion. For mobile, that's a little tougher, but maybe tapping on the selected text should bring up the options? Selecting on mobile is a tough thing anyway, and any solution is probably going to be a problem for someone else.

Actually, that's probably true for any UI design choices. There are some that are generally a good idea (like defining a reasonable navigation order for your elements or making design respond to viewport sizes to ensure that everything actually fits), but interaction options can get really muddy.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 59 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Isn't it amazing when text is also not selectable? Like its rendered behind some other shit?

I fucking hate websites ❤️

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

The reddit mobile app has broken text selection. I did same thing as OP but with my stylus.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Like when someone makes an image of text? At least OP set alt text & linked to the source with real text: rare at lemmy.

[–] Mustakrakish@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or when you try and select a letter and it auto selects the whole fucking work or sentence, jumping all over the place?

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 1 points 31 minutes ago

I HATE that. I like to save things i read or find interesting in Joplin (open source notebook software) and it always has to be this giant fucking undertaking to copy some text off a website. I am annoyed just thinking about it... So i always end up just copying everything on the page instead. Don't have time for that shit...

[–] boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (6 children)

UI designer/developer here. One who works on features that facilitate reading.

Based on their writing style and the text highlighting habit, this person is likely dyslexic. I've helped create functions that facilitate this behavior, which is better suited as a mode that can be enabled manually. There are browser extensions that can do this sort of thing for you. I've worked on a lot of assistive reading features.

If this was set as a default behavior, most users would fucking riot. Most of them are using text highlighting for what this person doesn't want to do.

Edit - I think I need to emphasize that this is based on real data. A shit ton of it. These decisions aren't made based on vibes. If the user base is performing a specific action repeatedly, we're going to facilitate it. We can see what you all are doing. UI's aren't built around a bunch of conflicting edge cases based on anecdotes. If something performs a certain way, at least major applications, it's usually because a lot of direct observations and metrics have strongly indicated that this is the preferred approach.

Admittedly, sometimes business goals get in the way of that. But if those business goals we have to push get in the way of conversions, they get abandoned pretty quickly.

[–] CrazyLikeGollum@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago

UI user here.

A good rule of thumb for interfaces is "one action, one function." Highlighting text and opening a context menu are two separate functions that should require separate actions (at least as default behavior, user configurability is also a good thing). If I highlight text, the only thing that should indicate is that I want the text highlighted. If I subsequently want a context menu, I will do the context menu action (right click, long press, etc). A UI should never be trying to predict what I want and it absolutely should not be doing things that I didn't explicitly direct.

You need sane defaults and having what is effectively a predefined macro is not a sane default.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 11 points 11 hours ago

(Apologies for my tone below, but this affects me also, and I dislike the notion that messing with how you normally select text is a niche desire)

We don't need any new functionality or a custom mode, we just want unexpected popups to not get in the way of expected behaviour when selecting text.

As long as your options appear well above the text, and doesn't cancel the highlighting, I can't accept whatever you want to do. But as the OP writes, if it's easy to misclick, this is bad UI design because it does not conform to the expectation that nothing will pop up. (Google Docs is the first example that comes to mind as implementing popup options totally fine, from recollection)

If it's too close to the selected text and causes misclicks, then I'm gonna be annoyed about this since the vast, vast majority (luckily) of text on the internet you can highlight to your heart's content and nothing pops up.

Just keep options decently above the highlighted text (I dunno what the right number is, 2 lines above the start of your selection? hey I'm not a UI designer)

In conclusion, change is okay, but intuition is important.

Tantacrul makes some great UI videos if you haven't seen them before (not that I'm telling you how to suck eggs about your own profession, he's just genuinely funny and interesting to watch)

[–] wieson@feddit.org 5 points 11 hours ago

I disagree.

The mode for options is called the right mouse button and the mode for just highlighting is the left mouse button. One of the great pillars of UI design is conforming to expectations.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

lots of people do it, not just people with dyslexia. it helps keep track of where you are when there are large blocks of text. also it usually raises contrast so I'm sure that helps some people even more.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

it helps keep track of where you are when there are large blocks of text

So does the edge of the window & mouse pointer.

also it usually raises contrast

If the contrast sucks, then the UI is already broken. There are accessibility standards for

If you're selecting merely to read, there's a good chance the text is too small, the lines too long without enough space, the contrast too low, and that would all be addressed by following common web accessibility standards. Good accessibility is good UI.

16px is commonly considered a good minimum text size for accessibility. When I outgrew thinking tiny text was cool, I standardized interfaces to render at least that size & found a vast improvement.

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Come to Japan where they like to make everything images instead. Can't select it, can't copy it, can't translate it without a camera, can't preview the text of something, is bad for accessibility, etc.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

Do you want to copy text into a translator app? Fuck you!

[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

My absolute biggest gripe about the failings of proper UI design is icons with no text attached.

Floppy, okay surely the save button. Some book looking thing, no fucking clue. An eye in the middle of a square, what the fuck are you people doing???

Having to hover over a weird looking icon to MAYBE gleam some sort of information on it takes so much longer than just having the fucking text below the God damn icon. Sometimes they don’t even have hover text! Thats GREAT UI skills there, Junior! Maybe you’ll get there eventually!

Fucking idiots.

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 14 points 1 day ago

I do this. It’s just a stimming thing while reading web articles and I hate being sent to Twitter or whatever for it.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 4 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

In linux land highlighting text can auto copy it and miuse wheel close ck auto pastes. Also i do love to highlight text for read ability

[–] callyral@pawb.social 1 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

honestly i really hate that. i managed to get rid of it auto copying selected text (don't remember how) but seriously how do i disable pasting with the mouse wheel, it's never what i want to do

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 1 points 35 minutes ago

It so deep in old linux code that goes back to the origin of mice.

[–] axx@slrpnk.net 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What's your desktop environment? Because it's going to depend on that.

[–] callyral@pawb.social 1 points 7 hours ago
[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 22 hours ago

that reminds me of how scrolling would edit settings in GUI menus. Made me so mad because I don't know what I accidentally changed but I changed something that's gonna send me on a wild goose chase in 2 weeks

[–] anas@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We went from using no punctuation to using too much. I struggled while reading this.

[–] Hobo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The no capitalization makes it hard for me. I think just re-writing with capitalization makes it a lot easier to read:

Note to UI designers. When reading a long piece of text. I select the text while I read it. I select the text while I read it!. I select the text using my mouse. While I read the text I often select the text. I don't want to perform actions on the text. I don't want to accidentally click share link. I want to select the text while I read it.

Here's how I would mildly edit the punctuation in order to make it easier to read:

Note to UI designers; when reading a long piece of text, I select the text while I read it. I select the text while I read it! I select the text using my mouse. While I read the text, I often select the text. I don't want to perform actions on the text. I don't want to accidentally click share link. I want to select the text while I read it.

Here's how I would have conveyed the thought in a JIRA comment:

UI designers could you please, for the love of all mankind, stop fucking putting fucking shitty ass popups in the god damn non-mobile website! There is no one, and I mean no-fucking-body, that is still using a desktop computer in 2025 that does not know about ctrl-c and ctrl-v. There is not sane reason for you to ever assume a user wants to visit some shitty twitter/reddit/digg/blog when they select text on a desktop computer. If I see a single one of you motherfuckers putting fucking text inside an action I swear to god I will come down there and beat you to death with your own fucking keyboard.

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[–] Madrigal@lemmy.world 165 points 1 day ago (32 children)

Modern UI designers don’t have a fucking clue.

You’d think the first principle would be “don’t break the existing fucking UI”, but no.

Infinite scroll. Windows without toolbars. Replacing context menu with useless site-specific one. Forcing links to open in new or same tab, depriving the user of choice. Blocking text select. Blocking copy, as if that’s somehow going to stop people from stealing your shitty content. Fucking with the browser history.

And then there’s the constant reinventing of the wheel. How many times do we need to implement a fucking checkbox?

No lie, I’ve actually had designers come to me with a concept for “a visual indicator that shows the user how they are progressing through the page”.

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