Trump has a team of people who dedicated time, energy, and resources, to find a loophole around a ban on torture.
That sums up this administration's direction pretty succinctly.
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I agree, but there’s a difference. Trump is a figurehead. It’s not his team. Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation are the “deep state” that the right voters were convinced were controlling them through the dems. Peter Thiel, Putin, the Koch, Scaife, Uihlein, Bradley families and/or foundations, Barre Seid, Leonard Leo, Coors, Walmart, Exxon mobile, etc etc they’re all financing and guiding the hydra.
Trump goes away and Peter Thiel wormtongues Vance into doing the same shit
Totally agree with what you said. It was just easier to get a point across pointing at TrumpCo.
No way in hell he's top dog in this shit show, just a gullible fool of hate and piss.
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I can't wait for Nuremberg 2: electric boogaloo
As always, the cruelty is the point
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Obama pardoning the Bush admin for torture was seen as weak and pathetic at the time, and its worse now.
He should have thrown the book at Bush and co.
Obama should have done a lot of things. I'm happy he did Obamacare but man he could have been so much more. Such a wasted chance. And making Biden his VP was a catastrophic error. Biden sabotaged the shit out of everything he touched.
Did Biden really have that much influence? I think it can be hard to assess how influential a VP is/was.
I don't think it's so much about what he did as VP as much as the fact that his time as VP kind of set him up to run for president later.
Obamacare despite the Republicans throwing the mother of all tantrums about it was such a weak half assed piece of legislation. It was literally a Republican policy before Obama stole it and rebranded it. What he ran on and promised was a proper single payer healthcare the same as the rest of the world has. What we got was a federal search engine for insurance policies and very minor guarantees of what those policies will cover (and even that small gain is increasingly in danger of being removed).
Obama was one of the least offensive presidents of recent memory, but that's far from being a good president. He certainly did some good things, but not as many as his reputation would make you think.
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Orange hitler needs to be impeached, removed from office, and sent to prison for his previous and current crimes.
I was hoping this would happen after his first term. However it will never, ever, EVER, happen. There just isn't anyone with a spine who will do anything about him.
Now I'm hoping he gets a debilitating stroke/heart attack.
Or a long painful death. Colon cancer is fine, anything that can't be treated.
Last resort is assassination, not because I'm above such things or find it distasteful etc. I was, but not anymore. No, it's because if that happens then it'll probably be quick and painless. And that racist rapist kiddie fiddler doesn't fucking deserve that mercy.
Assassination would stop him from hurting people quicker than cancer. Even if he had a stroke that debilitated him he wouldn't get impeached, he'd just effectively be a more obedient puppet.
Not to mention, assassination sends a message to his peers too. As much as I want him to suffer, I think a quick assassination would be more effective.
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Is there no evil idea these guys don't love?
You could look at it from the perspective of the moral foundations.
- Care/harm✅
- Fairness/cheating✅
- Loyalty?/betrayal?
- Authority?/subversion?
- Sanctity?/degradation?
- Liberty/oppression✅
Only about half of these are clear to me. I think Trump needs to step up his game if he wants to get to the worst outcome possible.
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If you face torture or deathcamps, It's better to go out shooting.
Holy shit
If you’re on the side of torture, you’re one of the bad guys
Can we not relitigate this. I remember this from like 18 years ago. It was not a good time.
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Trump’s lawyers claim they’ve found a loophole that will allow Trump to ship immigrants overseas to be tortured.
Legal or not, why are you looking for excuses to torture people?
To torture people, of course.
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According to President Donald Trump’s lawyers, the administration can simply wait until after an immigration judge has conducted the proceeding that ordinarily would determine whether a particular noncitizen may be deported to a particular country, and then, if that noncitizen is allowed to be deported, announce that the immigrant will be deported to some previously unmentioned country — even if that immigrant reasonably fears they will be tortured in that nation.
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Just what we need to put in the hands of this Orange piece of human shit.
extraordinary rendition meets enhanced interrogation, I guess.
Sean Hannity still hasn't been waterboarded for charity.
And immediately admitting he was wrong about it not being torture.
It absolutely is torture. I’ve experienced consensual waterboarding myself and even if you are doing it willingly and are mentally prepared, consenting to it - it is absolutely terrifying. Your brain screams at you, just pumps your body full of fear chemicals.
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Pretty tough talk from the orange dude that vociferously whines about reporters asking "nasty" questions.
I'd be happy if he got his wish and then magically disappeared and we heard rumors of him being waterboarded for fun. I'd do it myself.
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Geneva Suggestions
We’re so fucked.
So his loop hole is when a judge says the government can't send someone to Country A to be tortured, send them to Country B to be tortured with out asking a judge.
See, this is why gwb and his cronies should have been prosecuted.
Instead, centrists were delighted when harris got dick cheney's endorsement, and were upset when gwb declined to endorse.
Weird, why would he want to do that.
reads headline
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Now I will tell you the answer to my question. It is this. The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from the oligarchies of the past in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just around the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now you begin to understand me.
George Orwell, 1984
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Orange man is really leaning into this role of authoritarian dictator, isn’t he?
The U.S. has been doing stuff like this for a while in the war against terrorism, e.g. transporting suspects to other countries where they can be tortured for information.
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yeah. The civil war is starting.