Normally I'm not the guy to say it, but if you don't own a gun, you may want to change that.
this post was submitted on 16 Jun 2025
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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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How does this post even make sense in this community? literally written in the sidebar:
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
This is a SLIGHTLY different case than what the sidebar mentions.
Yes, asking asking the police to investigate themselves is a non-starter.
This post is advocating turning the state/local police against ICE, a federal agency.
I agree, it's unlikely to make a difference. But if you call 9-1-1 and report "Masked men in an unmarked car just kidnapped someone", it's way different from asking internal affairs to investigate another cop.
If one of the possible answers to your question is "yes, I am indeed armed, and committing a felony by impersonating a law enforcement officer", you should reconsider your most recent life choices. In particular, asking them that question.
Observe from a safe distance, and call 911. What on earth do you hope to gain by going up to them for a chat?
excuuuuuuuse me. Are you actually taking people hostages? Or is this some kind of publicity stunt? Hellooo?! Are you really shooting at me? That's just, like, so rude.
These sort of tactics might work if you're with a large group in a public space, if you're one person then it might not be the best idea. Honestly a lot of this stuff is highly context dependent.
One would assume you are not alone when you do this. Confrontation in public is not just important but demonstrably working. We have seen plenty of communities scare off ICE.
You are far more likely to be dealing with ICE than someone impersonating them. Acting like you're the next potential target for a political assassin is a bit weird.
Always be safe, always be careful, but the fact is if you're out at a protest or live in a community with a substantial immigrant population, you are likely to encounter ICE/the police.
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You ever notice how they stand with their hands covering their badges and name plates?
If they don't adjust the things attached to their vests to hang over their identifying patches and badges. I have seen a bunch where they just have something that hangs over them.
domestic terrorism
Dial 911 first, and say there's a masked person with a gun. No need to qualify that shit.
My thoughts exactly. You think gestapo is gonna wait patiently while you call 911?
If you don't, you're dead or at least on the ground before you finish that first question.
You don't have to talk to a masked gunman or engage with them in any way to call 911.
If you see masked people with guns, call 911. If they're authorized to be there, there's no harm in calling it in.
I think we're all agreeing. My comment might have been ambiguous.
I've been wondering how does stand your ground work with a force of people not identifiable with guns. There is no way to know if someone is an ICE agent or an impersonator. It doesn't help the police literally just feel for one themselves with the recent murder.
Its quite simple
you = 2 if color == "white" else 0
masked_gunman = 100 if job == "cop" else 1
if you > masked_gunman :
print("The justice system works!")
else:
print("Life without parole")
you = 2 if color == "white" else 0 masked_gunman = 100 if job == "cop" else 1
if you > masked_gunman : print("The justice system works!") else: print("Life without parole")
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It would be incredible if we could get through a lawsuit to news stations anytime they make bad assumptions in articles. They continually write "Federal agents detained ..." when they should be writing "A team of unidentified individuals in masks and armor detained ..."
Just as they are always meant to write "The suspect" not "The criminal". Nothing must be assumed in reporting (exceptions allowed if they've contacted ICE headquarters and received a confirmation of them)
The media is the 4th branch, they won’t report on these things until they have to. And even then, they’ll find a way to delegitimize.
Just as they are always meant to write "The suspect" not "The criminal".
For now, anyway. Due process and the presumption of innocence are still holding up, but the fascists are working hard on that one.
Like they,are going to give you the time to do this shit.
If you think a masked unidentified person will answer your question…..
If you think a masked unidentified person will answer your question……
More like from a legal standpoint, you'd have a leg to stand on, you might also spook a fake agent enough to move on to a more willing target.
Assuming they're real agents, I think the real issue is the cop's response:
- They likely would not show up in a timely fashion
- They likely would not show up at all
- If they did show up in a timely fashion, the odds that they would side with you are slim
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