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Submission Statement

Between 2001 and 2021, under four U.S. presidents, the United States spent approximately $2.3 trillion, with 2,459 American military fatalities and up to 360,000 estimated Afghan civilian deaths.

After the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan in August 2021, approximately $7.12 billion worth of military equipment was left behind, according to a 2022 Department of Defense report. This equipment, transferred to the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF) from 2005 to 2021, included:

Weapons: Over 300,000 of 427,300 weapons, including rifles like M4s and M16s.  
Vehicles: More than 40,000 of 96,000 military vehicles, including 12,000 Humvees and 1,000 armored vehicles.  
Aircraft: 78 aircraft, valued at $923.3 million, left at Hamid Karzai International Airport, all demilitarized and rendered inoperable.  
Munitions: 9,524 air-to-ground munitions worth $6.54 million, mostly non-precision.  
Communications and Specialized Equipment: Nearly all communications gear (e.g., radios, encryption devices) and 42,000 pieces of night vision, surveillance, biometric, and positioning equipment.  

The total equipment provided to the ANDSF was valued at $18.6 billion, with the $7.12 billion figure representing what remained after the withdrawal. Much of this equipment is now under Taliban control, though its operational capability is limited due to the need for specialized maintenance and technical expertise.

The United States has provided at least $93.41 billion in total aid to Afghanistan since 2001. This includes:

Military Aid (2001–2020): Approximately $72.7 billion (in current dollars), primarily through the Afghanistan Security Forces Fund ($71.7 billion) and other programs like International Military Education and Training, Foreign Military Financing, and Peacekeeping Operations ($1 billion combined).  

Humanitarian and Reconstruction Aid (2001–2025): Around $20.71 billion, including $3 billion in humanitarian and development aid post-2021 and $3.5 billion in frozen Afghan assets transferred to the Afghan Fund in 2022. Pre-2021 reconstruction and humanitarian aid (e.g., $174 million in 2001 and $300 million pledged in 2002) adds to this, though exact figures for the full period are less clear.  
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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 111 points 2 weeks ago

I mean yeah, all that, but did you even stop to consider how absolutely insanely wealthy we made like 7 people!?

God you people are so selfish with your wah wah thousands upon thousands have died! Think of the rich people for once!

:P

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 75 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] solsangraal@lemmy.zip 57 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

didn't usa also train the taliban? because they didn't want ussr to have afghanistan

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 64 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Yes but actually no. Mujahideen (did I spell that correctly?) were CIA funded as they opposed the Russian invasion.

A lot of former Mujahideen fighters did end up in both Taliban and Al-Quebec (autocorrect tells me that's the right spelling) after the soviet-Afghan war, including Osama himself. While allied, they are separate entities.

They are allies and with common roots, but saying Taliban was trained by CIA is an oversimplification. Some of its members were, yes, but that was long before Taliban was a thing.

Also, the paragon of Aged Like Milk:

[–] cyborganism@piefed.ca 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hahahahahahahhqhahaa!!!! Al-Quebec!

The French Canadian province would like a word

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[–] Zexks@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ehh, we're here to bring you to Allah ya hosers.

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[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.org 23 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

No. The Taliban only got started after the Soviets left. But the US funded and trained the Mujahedeen which later created Al-Quaeda.

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[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

“That's why the Taliban is so deadly and effective — hapkido training. Where'd they learn that? From Steven Seagal's fat ass. Why do you think Kelly Lebrock left him? 'Cause he's Taliban.”

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[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 51 points 2 weeks ago (37 children)

And yet, I've seen people on here criticize the withdrawal. Like, how much longer did you wanna stay, dawg? Another 20 years so the proxy we set up would last another week?

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This happened a lot around Afghanistan too.

If there's one thing both sides love in this country, it's permanent warfare, provided they can get the poors to do all the fighting and dying.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So many people are "anti-war," except for the current one.

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People didn't criticize the withdrawal itself (at least non-monsters didn't). People criticized the fact that in so many years there was no robust infrastructure built. They broke whatever was there before them, fucked around for decades, achieved jack shit, and left leaving power vacuum.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

and the USA claims healcare for its citizens is unaffordable

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[–] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (12 children)
[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 29 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

Because yanks have always thought that they're somehow special, that things will be different when they do it

[–] rodneyck@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Actually, most yanks don't feel this way. Big business, CIA/FBI, Gov't wants resources, weapon sales, drug and human trafficking, all things to keep the rich ....rich. They use the two party system, which is really a uni-party system controlled by them, to keep the masses fighting amongst themselves while they proceed with war and taking away human rights under war-times.

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[–] Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

"Invade Afghanistan, you will regret it," is one of history's NCDish lessons. Like:

  • Don't invade Russia in winter.
  • Don't let Germany get too economically depressed.
  • Don't let the Chinese people get too unhappy with their govt.

Iran feels geographically close enough to inherit the curse for sure.

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[–] bigfoot@lemm.ee 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is this text AI generated? The civilian death toll in the "submission statement" is about 6x higher than accepted numbers and about 100K higher than all total deaths in the entire conflict.

IMO (AI or not) slop like this just "floods the zone with shit" while doing noting to help the progressive cause.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thousands of lives

Ya kinda are forgetting the lives lost on the Afghani side there buddy

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (22 children)

TBF, withdrawing was a Trump era decision that Joe Biden simply didn't stop. Trump also released 5,000+ Taliban Fighters just before. I feel like if we didn't elect people like Donald fucking Trump then the outcome might have been different, it really seems like he was intentionally causing these problems.

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[–] Jiggle_Physics@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You actually think they were there to stop the Taliban?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Absolutely. The plan was to do in Afghanistan what we'd done in Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Argentina and the Philippines.

We wanted a local aristocracy beholden to the US business interests with a police force willing to brutalize dissidents. Taliban wasn't that thing, so they needed to be supplanted.

Problem was, the Afghan aristocracy that the US aligned with were more vile than the Taliban and rejected by the public at large. So the US spent 23 years killing everyone who refused to submit to them.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Never get involved in someone else's civil war.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

I learned 2 important lesson from this.

  1. You can't bomb people into liking you.

  2. Most people don't give a shit about number 1.

Edit: AutoIncorrect got me.

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

before that it was the mujahadeen trained by SEALs/special operations, turned taliban.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Don't forget the money and weapons you gave them before.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

trillions of dollar

That's a lot of dollar.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Like in the first episode of Beverley Hillbillies: "They offered me 125 dollars for the bog. But I don't know what kind of dollars. I know gold dollars and silver dollars, and even those newfangled paper dollars. But what is a million dollar?"

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[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
[–] 5paceThunder@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This makes it seem that it was a pointless war but it wasn't once you know the real reason the US went into Afghanistan.

Just follow the money and see who got rich from this "war". It definitely was not pointless for them and their shiny new yachts and private planes.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Not cynical enough.

The goal of the war was to destroy Afghanistan and kill its people. The empire needs to "mow the grass" periodically to keep the underdeveloped world in its place.

Same in Iraq. Same in Libya. Same in Syria. The death and destruction is the point.

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

This shit haunts me sometimes. I remember hearing somewhere that the Taliban actually offered to deliver OBL to the US if they would promise not to invade and we were like "get fucked, idiot". How many people's lives did we needlessly destroy, regardless of nationality, both in Iraq and Afghanistan? What else could have been bought besides misery with the nearly four trillion between those two wars?

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[–] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

Throw another 20 years at it

Hell, throw another 100 years at it, it wouldn't make a difference

Doesn't even matter which country invades, it won't hold it for long.

Even Alexander the Great only briefly held it for 25 years after defeating Darius III

The people didn't want us there and we weren't interested in forcing ourselves on them like some kind of brutal Soviet satellite state

The rampant unchecked corruption was way worse than we thought and it was a major consideration for pulling out

Can't help people who are unwilling to help themselves

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 week ago (9 children)

The war in Afghanistan was never about helping anyone. 🙄

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[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (17 children)

Trump is deporting afghan collaborators who came here after that war.

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