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[–] Asswardbackaddict@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah.... But also, Carlin was right saying this shit is all a stage. We've got groups of bullies picking on us, and I'd rather throw bricks than help them decide who to pick on next.

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[–] MyNamesTotallyRobert@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Well yeah but the one of the people who voted for ice cream downvoted a post about gaza one time so CLEARLY the entire bus sacrificing themselves just in case it might save gaza is the better option. Also there's an atomic bomb factory in a heavily populated area at the bottom of the cliff so basically the same amount of people as the entire population of gaza are going to die if this happens but protecting Gaza is more important than protecting loved ones apparently.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 6 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

If "harm" and "less harm" are the only two options, then the only question is how quickly you die. There's the argument that we have to do "harm reduction" in order to buy time to organize for something better, but we've been procrastinating for decades apparently. Since all of history informs us that humans act only when inaction is no longer tenable (and sometimes not even then), really the only material difference between "harm reduction" and accelerationism is, again, the timeline.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

The harm or less harm are thanks to Ordinal voting.

First Past the Post is the absolute worst offender, but every single Ordinal voting system will eventually devolve into a forced choice between this or that.

Thankfully there are Cardinal voting systems. Those always boil down to the word and. For example, I can say that I support getting ice cream, and sandwiches, and a slushy, and even just finishing the route, but not going over that cliff.

My support for any given item is counted independently of my support for any other option.

To see what option wins, you just look at total support.

Different Cardinal systems have their own little quirks, but the key in all of them is that ability to give multiple items identical levels of support.

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[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Everyone's upset about the vegan ice cream voters not voting for regular ice cream.

No one is upset at the regular ice cream people for being unwilling to vote for a vegan ice cream place because their choice is default in their mind.

Both sides are holding each other hostage. One has a moral reason and the other just doesn't want to compromise.

And yet.

[–] j_z@feddit.nu 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I’m kinda upset about the cliff-driver voters too tbf

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[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Thats not a viable choice though.

The viable choices were ice cream or cliff. Choosing vegan ice cream is functionally equivalent to not voting.

[–] SmilingSolaris@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Genocide isn't a viable choice.

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Is voting for controlled opposition harm reduction?

Like I agree that Kamala was the correct choice, but her inevitably milquetoast liberal policies would keep us stagnant until people voted in the next Republican out of boredom

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Like I agree that Kamala was the correct choice, but her inevitably milquetoast liberal policies would keep us stagnant until people voted in the next Republican out of boredom

Luckily, as voting in Republicans has historically shown us, voting in the Republican will lead us to radicalize and become socialists. /s

If the core issue is that we're not putting in the work after engaging in harm reduction, harm acceleration is not likely to fix that problem.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I don't agree with it, it's just how populations vote.

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[–] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago

Meanwhile, the people who want ice cream:

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