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Did not read the article. I have a 3070 graphics card (windows 10)and the game ran fine. I had a problem with not being able to select a different weapon until I messed with it quite a bit and my friend had one crash. He has a 3050.
Frankly I expected much worse, but this is just not a good response. Is he using this as an excuse NOT to fix it?
"we haven't optimised this at all, lol, $80 please"
PC gaming ladies and gentlemen.
I don't follow. Borderlands is on all consoles too isn't it? At least the older ones are?
Seems to run fine on console.
This reminds me of the "AAAA" game thing.
Well now I am giving even less of a fuck about this series that should've ended after the second title
Eh. I didn’t even finish borderlands 3. won’t bother getting 4
Same argument Sony gave when EverQuest 2 launched with stupid high required specs. World of Warcraft launched a month later you could run on any video card from the last 5 years and the whole franchise still hasn't recovered.
That's the thing, Randy, we aren't interested in a monster truck, we just need a car. A 5090 is not a leaf blower, and your game looks more like a clown car than a monster truck given the way it runs. Thanks for telling us that you are basically only interested in whales, although I can't imagine they are happy either regardless of how they've probably thrown money at you already.
What a total dick. Lots of people with high end PCs are all saying how it runs like shit, so what's the next excuse?
They're not premium gamers. It's about what's inside your soul, not the kind of PC you have.
Ah, my mistake. If only our souls were as pristine and premium as Randy Pitchford lmao
We can't all be Randy Pitchford. I bet it runs so well for him. :(
Such a bad argument. There is no reason for the game to not support lower end hardware except for lazy development. Not a good sign for the future of borderlands. This is also the type of game that really sucks if you don't get a locked 60 FPS. Borderlands 3 is still a laggy mess on my steam deck. Sometimes it just stutters forever. Constantly generating shaders or something. There is no reason for it to be that way and lowering the setting has almost no effect on the actual performance. This is 100% the fault of the devs. They are pushing half complete products to market not the consumer.
Also as many others have stated, not everyone has $4000 to drop on a PC. My most powerful machine is a Skylake processor with a 1070. It runs most games fine, it's just the handful of unoptimized unreal engine games that run badly. I have nearly limitless options to buy other games from devs who actually care about us poorer folk. A 4070 ti is like 800-1000 rn. Probably won't even run this game well. This is in an age where we have had nearly 100% inflation in a few years. Most people can barely afford to buy a car without spending half of their paycheck. They should be trying to make their games work on older hardware now more than ever. Ram is cheap, there are some things you can work around. It's usually not worth it to target low RAM devices, but there is really no good reason for you game to not scale well to lower end GPUs. You don't have to have only 4k textures on disk. You can easily automate a process to create lower poly, and lower resolution textures, implement modest lighting systems. It's pretty easy in relation to other things. Cpus are mid, you shouldn't necessarily target 10 year old CPUs if it's going to make the game worse but your game shouldn't be so unoptimized that you need 5.5 ghz on a single core to get 60 fps. You should at least have a proper lod system in place so that you can support lower end GPUs in many cases where it's not very difficult.
The issue with many of these modern triple AAA games is they are trying to avoid as much work as possible. They are trying to avoid targeting lower end hardware because it's a bit of work and they are struggling to finish their games. They need to plan for these things from the start and work them into their process.
Ram is cheap
Kind of divering from the larger point, but that's true
RAM prices haven't gone up as much as other things have over the years. I do kind of wonder if there are things that game engines could do to take advantage of more memory.
I think that some of this is making games that will run on both consoles and PCs, where consoles have a pretty hard cap on how much memory they can have, so any work that gets put into improving high-memory stuff is something that console players won't see.
checks Wikipedia
The XBox Series X has 16GB of unified memory.
The Playstation 5 Pro has 16GB of unified memory and 2GB of system memory.
You can get a desktop with 256GB of memory today, about 14 times that.
Would have to be something that doesn't require a lot of extra dev time or testing. Can't do more geometry, I think, because that'd need memory on the GPU.
considers
Maybe something where the game can dynamically render something expensive at high resolution, and then move it into video memory.
Like, Fallout 76 uses, IIRC, statically-rendered billboards of the 3D world for distant terrain features, like, stuff in neighboring and further off cells. You're gonna have a fixed-size set of those loaded into VRAM at any one time. But you could cut the size of a given area that uses one set of billboards, and keep them preloaded in system memory.
Or...I don't know if game systems can generate simpler-geometry level-of-detail (LOD) objects in the distance or if human modelers still have to do that by hand. But if they can do it procedurally, increasing the number of LOD levels should just increase storage space, and keeping more preloaded in RAM just require more RAM. You only have one level in VRAM at a time, so it doesn't increase demand for VRAM. That'd provide for smoother transitions as distant objects come closer.
Hell, I don't know many people willing to drop 4k on a gaming rig. Most people I know with a gaming computer are in the 1-2k range and miss when you could get decent performance under 1k. Like, if I can't get playable performance out of a several years old mid range computer I'm not buying your game, especially not for $70
That was a reference to a video I saw, something like, trying to play borderlands at 60 FPS on a $4k computer.
2k is about the minimum these days for a full system when you include taxes and shipping. That will get you a midrange system. You can get lower end stuff or buy a used graphics card. Personally I'm still rocking a 1070 and it's excellent for like 99% of games. I'm lucky that the handful of games that won't run on it I don't care about anyways.
Also a less known fact, real inflation, not government reported is probably close to 100% over the past 10 years. So really a $2000 machine today is the same as a $1000 computer 10-15 years ago. Our wages didn't go up of course. That's the whole point of a fiat currency and inflation! It's a clever and sneaky wealth tax. It's a way to cut your wages quickly in a way that 90% of people don't understand. They just yell at the gas station clerk because their soda is nearly $5. Their poor little brains can't conceive of a concept so sophisticated as they are actually being payed less, stuff doesn't cost more. People aren't going to make stuff for free and give it to them. It's just not a simple number so it confuses them. If businesses had to adjust your pay to match real inflation, guess what?, there would be no inflation and no fiat currency. No reason for it to exist because they couldn't screw us out of our wages without telling us to our face Just extra paperwork and time for managers, little fake economic growth and no unnatural bubbling of markets.
There aren't enough monster truck owners to support his game. If he gets his wish, Gearbox is going to lose a whole lot of money
The reality is that it is a mass market game. It needs mass market adoption. Currently much of the market is locked out due to performance issues
Everyone without a 5090 should immediately refund the game and use these remarks as the justification.
Can we please standardize a pc parts price point? (Not sure I'm saying this right)
Like, "it doesn't matter where technology is, $600 gets you 'low', &1000 gets you 'high', and $2000 gets you 'ultra'."
$2000 gets you just a high end graphics card. >.>'
Yeah so, either the prices need to come down, or devs optimize for those price points. Or both. Because two thousand dollars for a gpu is ridiculous.
When everyone stops chasing cryptocoin and AI the prices will come down.
As long as people will pay 2k for a video card, they'll charge 2k for a video card :(
The market doesn't discern between gamers, cryptobros, and corporations.
I thought we were about to have a break when everything went ASIC, but that just didn't last.
No one will ever stop chasing AI. It's the holy grail of corporate efficiency, just you... your shareholders... and some unpaid robot slaves. The dream.
Eventually, the bubble will burst.
Venture Cap paid for the first round of hardware; it has to make real money for the second round.
Once the token price rises to the actual cost of buying the ephemeral hardware it's running on, no one will want to use it for the hard stuff.
Most AI companies will die quite dramatically, but the big players will weather the storm and soak up all the rewards that come from monopolising on such technology. The ultimate product can turn to slop if you're the only game in town.
He's just giving mega chuds ammo for their flame wars.
Battlefield 6 ran like butter. What’s your excuse
There aren't that many Premium™ Gamers®, and trying to pretend that that is, like, a legitimate target demographic to pander to is just sad, folks.
(The funniest gamer influencer backlash I've seen lately was against some YouTuber who blew ~$2K on gaming desk and a chair and called it a "minimalist" setup. People at large rightfully went "are you shitting me".)
I mean minimalism is a style, not your budget
Minimalist != minimal budget
I can't decide if the explanation that "our shitty game is made for premium gamers" is more or less absurd than EA charging 80 bucks for a game with most of its characters still locked would "provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment".
So anyway, you guys excited for Hades 2?
It's hard to be excited with how much I've played the early access, but yes. Amazing game, I really should've paced myself
Hell yeah! Recently finished Clair Obscur, now playing Silksong, and waiting for Hades 2, this year is packed with awesome indies!
Hell yeah indeed! Shape of Dreams just dropped too, and is awesome (if you like the genre). Incredible year so far.
Unfortunately it doesn't matter what any of us say...the damage is done. I saw something like 200k online on steam. Unless most of them refund the negative reviews are meaningless. Pretend it was only 200k on steam and they bought just the "shitty" $70 version. ...who knows how many bought on other platforms as well. They made a lot of money already is all I'm saying and I wish they didn't. Games junk.
Make it perform well, then we can talk premium.