We have a law that at least one non-alcoholic drink must be cheaper than the cheapest alcoholic drink.
Some places offer milk for that, and if you try to order it, they tell you: sorry, it has gone bad.
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that's some bullshit right there
It's called malicious compliance.
How is it compliance if the drink is not available?
It's called bullshit, nothing else.
They have the item on the menu and it's cheaper; they have complied with the law.
The law mentions nothing about required stock. Perhaps they can offer a single glass before they are out. Therefore they have complied with malicious intent.
Wow, places don't have coke? Or coke costs more than the cheapest alcoholic drink?
I'm not a regular pub visitor (I don't drink alcohol), but a soda is usually at par or slightly more expensive than a beer.
Is the beer cheap or the soda expensive?
I just looked up a random place here. A normal bottle of Heineken costs $12, a coke, red bull, ginger beer, etc all cost $6.50.
This is in NZD, so that's a little under $7 USD for the Heineken, a little under $4 for the non-alcoholics.
These prices include all taxes, including an alcohol tax.
I just picked a random pub in the next city: Beer, 0.2l €2.30; Coca Cola 0.3l €3.60 - includes taxes and service.
Wait, is this a size difference thing? I'd expect both the beer and coke to be a pint (0.5l), but your beer is tiny 😆
That kind of beer is served in 0.2l glasses historically. You can get it in 0.3l in some places, but ordering it this way shows you are clueless / not native.
Some beers here go to 0.5l, but those are the bottled ones.
0.3l for a soda is normal here, 0.5l is large, as in LARGE. This is not America...
Haha yeah you wouldn't get any bigger than 0.5l coke and it's not uncommon to get 330ml as in a can of coke poured into a glass. 0.5l is definitely a big coke!
What kind of beer is it?
It's a local beer called Kölsch.
Thanks! It seems it's not really intended to drink one, it doesn't seem fair to use it for the comparison!
From Wikipedia:
In Cologne, Kölsch is traditionally served in a tall, thin, cylindrical 200-millilitre (6.8 US fl oz) glass called a Stange ("pole" or "rod"). The server, called a Köbes, carries eleven or twelve Stangen in a Kranz ("wreath"), a circular tray resembling a crown or wreath.[10] Instead of waiting for the drinker to order a refill, the Köbes immediately replaces an empty Stange with a full one, marking a tick on the coaster under the Stange. If the drinker does not want another refill, they place the coaster on top of the empty Stange and pay for the number of beers marked on the coaster.[11]
It seems it’s not really intended to drink one
That is just the method to drive up the sales...
Kölsch
There’s a place near me that has 75 cent tappers (like 10oz).
A soda is 1.25 for 12 oz.
It’s the beer that is cheap in this case. It’s basically sold at cost because the owner isn’t real bright and thinks the added traffic is worth only breaking even.
Here in colombia a red bull costs 3x the cost of a beer. Soda is cheaper though. Beers are about $1 and red bulls are about $3.
TBH I was surprised to see red bull is the same price as coke, I was expecting it to cost more. Almost certainly costs them more to buy it.
I'd never expect any non-alcoholic drinks to cost more than the alcoholic ones though, hence my surprise.
We have alcohol tax and GST (VAT) but together they might add 35% to the price, not enough to make beer cheaper.
We've got something similar.
Any place that serves alcohol must offer free water.
Sometimes you need to explicitly ask for tap water, to ensure its the free stuff.
Ugh, I hate this. So annoying to order water only to be given a bottle of it that's somehow 4$. If I wanted to pay 4$ I would've at least ordered a real drink, bottled water often isn't better than tap anyways.
You must not be in America. Was thinking the other day that they no longer automatically bring you ice water before taking your drink order. No idea when that changed, but it used to be expected at every sort of restaurant.
Are you in a place affected by drought? Whenever the water situation gets bad in California, they make the restaurants not give water unless requested.
Better get milking then
I find that more and more places have a full non alcoholic list. As someone who is 6 years sober, it's nice to see it grow.
As a good rule of thumb any place that serves large quantities of alcohol is probably going to serve a number of drinks that are usually mixed with alcohol. So cranberry juice or seltzer water and the like. So at the very least those are always going to be options.
I would like non alcoholic Cuba libre ... light.
Coming right up. Here’s your 200ml of water. That’ll be €9.
I think a non-alcoholic Cuba libre would be Coke and lime juice.
Why cant i get a crack rock to? Guess bodily autonomy isn't actually all that important after all.
For most restaurant it's just not worth getting the crack licence.
God forbid you just ask the bar to make you something off menu.
Even if I know what ingredients they use, I might not know how to make any good nonalcoholic drinks with the ones they have. That's the point of having a menu.
Or ask for water.
Juat give me a bottle of agave syrup, I guess. 🤷♂️
just go to shitty restaurants that have those coke freestyle machines. you’ll die of heart disease from eating fast food all the time, or maybe complications from diabetes from all that soda, but you’ll have options. Or maybe just drink water
I'm making a fuckin cherry peach cocaspritea and nobody can stop me
Mixing 7-up, Sprite, and Minute Maid lemonade to make the uLtiMatE citrus soda always felt like cheating the system as a kid
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