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So they are opening the door for voiding presidential pardons based on competency? That's going to be interesting in 3 years. I think conflict of interest could be considered just as compromising as cognitive decline. Could also have implications for Oliver North.
But also, the way Trump always claims he doesn't know anything about <that>, I would suggest he also is unaware of what is being done in his name, regardless of who holds the pen.
interesting in the way that the democrats will do nothing about it and then when the GOP gets back in they'll make it worse.
Old dems are ded dude. They didn’t do anything before and that was their MO … true.
But the reason they will do nothing about it in the future is that they’re ghosts, electoral echoes of cynical centrist complacency.
The new dems will be different simply because they clearly must be different to even win votes.
God I hope you're right.
Ya know, most countries don't give one person infinite get out of jail free cards.
We just value freedom here. ~revs big truck, slurps from 32oz diet soda~
32oz? Why did you get a small? It's diet!
This won't go anywhere. There's plenty of public examples of Biden discussing the pardons. He's still lucid enough to testify if needed.
If they're opening this box what makes you think they'd do it if they wouldn't still have power in 3 years? Everything they're doing they're doing like they're never gonna not be in power. We should all be paying attention to that.
Bold of you to assume that there will be a change of government in 3 yrs time....
From the last time this was brought up, it had been pointed out that the courts have previously said that that presidential pardons do not even need to be written
A 2024 federal appeals court decision said a pardon doesn’t even have to be in writing. “The answer is undoubtedly no,” the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled. “The plain language of the Constitution imposes no such limit.”
Actual legality doesn’t matter. It’s a pretext.
SCOTUS "Turns out pardons not signed by pen are void. However tthis only applies to President's not named Donald J. Trump. It's in the Consitution. No, you can't see the real consitution. The real consitution is in Canada for safe keeping."
Not to mention that using ANY mark is considered a signature, no matter the method of affixing it to the document. It's an ADA compliance thing - you can't discriminate based on the method of signing.
Former President Joe Biden experienced such “cognitive decline” while in office that it remains a serious question as to whether he was aware of the substance of the various pardons and commutations signed in his name via autopen . . .
If you're going to make that claim, then there's no particular reason to bring up the autopen. He was either aware of what he was signing or he wasn't.
Naturally, they won't use the same argument on Trump despite far more evidence of cognitive decline.
Trump is pardoning so many people it could be argued that the volume makes it unlikely he's "aware of the substance of the various pardons and commutations".
As with anything else here, "auto pen" is one of the objects of aggrievement Trump's leaky puddle of a brain has clinged in to, and the handlers throw it in these memos to appease him. It's the exact same reason he is still ranting about the navy's catapults. I guarantee you that in private he does nothing but talk random times people have disagreed with him over the years.
Cool so do the guy who pardoned 1500 insurrectionists and struggles on cognitive ability tests next.
Exactly, let's see those 1500 signatures, I bet they are all exactly the same. No fucking way he signed 1500 pardons himself that fast.
I think he signed a single blanket pardon, and not 1500 individual documents.
That should be just as invalid as bidens then. It's too impersonal.
It should be invalid because it's super fucked up, but unfortunately the people decided that he should have the power to pardon whomever he wants of any crime.
It should be invalid because Trump is a traitor illegally holding office in violation of the 14th amendment because he got to build the courts his first term and too many MFers in the states lack the competency to think.
I had to look at the publication date on that article three times because I thought that there was no way he’s that stupid that he’s still saying this after he said it the first time years ago. Surely someone explained to him how magnets work by now, but nope, the article is from a few days ago, and he has again proven that his stupidity knows no bounds.
Fucking magnets, how do they work? and I don't want to talk to a scientist, y'all motherfuckers lyin', and gettin' me pissed
Look at this obvious bullshit and gasp.
Biden knew the Nazis would eventually come for his family. This is exactly why he pardoned them (for the bullshit charges) from the GQP before leaving office.
Maybe...
Just maybe...
Biden should have held trump and co accountable for all the illegal shit they did his first term, instead of ignoring it to avoid setting the precedent a president could ever be accountable for breaking the law in office?
Biden chose not to do that. Despite all the harm it would cause the country and all of us
Instead he did some last minute pardons for his own family and left 99.999999% of Americans in the wind.
Now trump is going to set the precedent of holding past presidents accountable, and he's going to do a bad job of it, and Biden and his family will have to pay a price
If Biden would have done what's best for America, he never would have had to do those bullshit pardons to begin with
All my thoughts and prayers...
I think these are two separate conversations.
You’re not wrong. Neither am I.
Biden, short of behaving like Trump (which the supreme court certainly would have found issue with) had no real power at any point to do any of that due to Republicans in Congress. He fucked up big with Comey and Mueller, we all should have known Republicans have no real integrity, but really there wasn't anything he could have done short of breaking the system dictator style like Trump is. Biden was behaving according to rules norms and laws. Republicans are unencumbered by such things. Based on your comment you do not have a great idea of how our federal government is actually supposed to function, and mostly did function before the tea party and maga.
Put the blame where it belongs, on every Republican voter and every both sides abstainer. The American people failed an open book test because they couldn't be fucked to have the most basic understanding of their own government. We're getting what we deserve.
Do they really want to set this precedent?
Lol you expect the GOP to live up to a standard they place on other people? I thought the whole reason for being a Republican was to tell others what to do while trying to ignore the people as much as possible.
Lol they don't care, they don't follow precedent, that is one of the major reasons they are winning so decisively.
Such unrelenting assholes and bullshit.
A reminder: Do not let the bastards wear you down. Fight them at every step, be a thorn, be the sand in their gears, always.
So now there's precedent to toss Trump's Nazi pardons back in prison. Cool
So let's say they actually try to enforce this. How do they know which signatures are autopen and which aren't? They (the GOP) will probably just say they all were, but I can't imagine it holding up in court against any reasonable judge.
You're presuming there would be a reasonable judge and not one already bought and paid for.
So if you ever get pardoned, flee the country.
Man, these guys are such fucking losers
I’m perfectly fine with this one. It gives America a second chance to undo all of Trump’s pardons.
more like another step in unravelling any and all of American government's legitimacy
It wasn’t too long ago when the US gave telecommunication companies retroactive immunity for spying on Americans. There are already way too many options for presidential immunity, pardons and commutations that are used to protect criminals from prosecution.
The GOP is already a full kleptocratic organization with zero intent to govern for the good of Americans.
This is hanging chads all over again isn’t it?