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[–] TheJims@lemmy.world 180 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Thankfully no guns were hurt during the incident.

-Republicans probably

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 39 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The problem is there wasn't a nearby cop that could have shot everyone, that would have sold the problem.

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[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 147 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This is so American. From the availability of firearms, to their immediate use upon a perceived threat, to the economic situation that would have him evicted, to the insane sentence of 100 years for a 66 year old who needs an oxygen tank. Just sad all around.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I don't think 100 years is insane, it's life without parol without actually saying it. He shot two people tried to shoot another and actually killed the youngest.

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 2 years ago (18 children)

Other countries don't follow the punitive approach to criminal law, but rather a reformative. With the facts we are presented with it actually seems more like a failure of society instead of just one man. The sentence is absolutely ridiculous.

[–] TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

There are cases to reform somebody, and I fully agree that we must try that. In some cases. Which this is absolutely not.

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[–] MudSkipperKisser@lemmy.world 112 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It’s okay, just now on the news I saw that a man successfully shot and killed his 21 year old son, so the universe is now balanced.

[–] Baines@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago (3 children)

clearly this 8 year old and that 21 year old should have been packing

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 16 points 2 years ago

Obviously. The solution is always more guns.

[–] weew@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago

the only thing that can stop a bad senior with a gun is a good toddler with a gun

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[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Not really. Going to need a 8yo girl to shoot a boomer now

[–] Wirrvogel@feddit.de 11 points 2 years ago

Will two 5 y.o. that shot their grandmothers by accident do?

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 101 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Why didn't the 8 year old have a gun to defend herself with? That's the only thing that could have saved her life!

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[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 95 points 2 years ago (5 children)

So this article makes it seem like he's got dementia and was under the spell of a delusion when shooting his partner & daughter. But it's written so vaguely that it's hard to know for sure. So I found another article that seems to be much more clear about what happened:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/who-is-tony-louis-valez-father-sentenced-to-100-years-in-prison-for-killing-daughter-while-shooting-wife-and-son/ar-AA1jkw2q

TL;DR: 66-year-old man is in rough shape; has Hepatitis B, Emphysema, and COPD, and needs an oxygen tank. His partner (a much younger woman), their daughter together (8 years old), and his son from a previous marriage (18) all came to his house. The article doesn't say what happened in the conversation, but he apparently became enraged thinking they were trying to get him out of the house. My guess is that they were trying to get him to go into a care facility due to his many, many ailments.

Dude saw red, grabbed a gun, and started blasting. Shot his partner, then tried shooting his son, missed, and hit his 8-year-old daughter in the back as she was running away from him.

So it sounds much less like dementia (though that could still very well be a factor), and more like a miserable piece of shit reaching for a gun first to solve all of his problems.

[–] kraftpudding@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly, the facto that he could have had dementia and still could access a gun is not really the better option, is it?

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[–] clutch@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 years ago

Paradoxically he ended up in a sort of care facility. Some "care" but maybe not the care he needed

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago

It can be both, though. He could be a sack of shit who is now going through dementia.

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[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 92 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 80 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)

Fuck religion, alcohol, politics, financial inequality, unaffordable health care and brain dead sports fans.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 29 points 2 years ago

Yes, but fuck guns extra hard.

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[–] nl4real@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago

Seems kinda dangerous.

[–] mateomaui@reddthat.com 75 points 2 years ago (1 children)

wtaf?

Valez believed that two women had come to the house to evict him and he lost his temper

so… how did that relate to his partner and son?

so confused

[–] Baines@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (35 children)

daughter in law and his partner were the two women maybe?

article is kinda bad

yet another shining example of the kind of quality republican needed to prove the value of the second amendment

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[–] ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone 62 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Boomers don't need guns.

Dementia + lethal weapons. Terrible combination.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 years ago (69 children)

Pretty much no one in rich countries need guns these days, no matter the generation.

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[–] Baines@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

don’t forget drugs, tons of drugs

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[–] LollerCorleone@kbin.social 59 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I am confused by the way this is reported. Did he mistake his son and his ex-partner to be officers who had come to evict him and shoot at them? Or did he hold them responsible for his looming eviction?

Anyway, US really need better gun control. Looks like any nutjob can get a gun there. It is tragic to see a young life ending this way.

[–] lmaydev@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Also the fact a mentally healthy person can snap in the heat of the moment.

If there's a gun nearby that can be all it takes.

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 49 points 2 years ago

Let's be real, he intended to shoot everyone. He's dodging his intent to murder a child before being put in with inmates who will know that.

[–] Stanard@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago (5 children)

A quote from the judge according to the article:

"I just can't believe being evicted would justify picking up a handgun in that small of a space with children present"

What I find particularly concerning about this is that this implies that being evicted would justify picking up a handgun provided you're not in an enclosed space with children present. Why in the actual fuck would there be any further qualification after "I just can't believe being evicted would justify picking up a handgun". Full stop. You're being evicted. You fucked up. Firearms don't belong in that conversation at all with the only possible exception I can think of being if you are being directly and illegally threatened with a firearm.

Ugh.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They were just listing all of the reasons why it was a bad idea, not qualifying each reason as "okay if the other ones didn't occur".

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[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago

I can fully see your inference, but don't believe that the judge meant it that way. This was more lamenting the senselessness of the entire situation.

[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Another way to look it at is that there are situations in which picking up a handgun in a small space with children present is justified; however, being evicted is not one of them.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Good thing there are guns everywhere so a momentary burst of anger turns into a permanent tragedy.

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[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (17 children)

He's supposed to be one of the "good guys" with a gun?

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[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago (5 children)

This is what libertarian thought does to a person. People lose all sense of perspective.

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[–] Meho_Nohome@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Valez believed that two women had come to the house to evict him

Did 2 women come to the house? Was he just hallucinating? Was he on drugs? The story is not very clear.

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 years ago

Out shitty society created this situation. People need a secure place to live, and we need proper social securities in place.

And guns need to be regulated.

[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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