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[–] joyjoy@lemm.ee 43 points 11 months ago (8 children)

The roman empire fell for 2 reasons.

  1. The capital was moved to Constantinople, leaving the west out of their circle of influence.
  2. Constantine adopted Christianity as the official religion of the empire.

So keep a look out for someone suggesting to move D.C. to the other side of the country.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 22 points 11 months ago

Both of your reasons are wrong.

Now, excuse me, I'm lobbying Congress to move to LA.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 15 points 11 months ago (3 children)
[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] EvilHankVenture@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's the official motto of Seattle.

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I’ve assimilated!

[–] Stoney_Logica1@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Hell to the no. We already have to deal with the cost of living increases due to tech. Seattle would become the most expensive place in the country if we were the political center too.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Constantine created Constantinople/Byzantium as a second capital. At that point, there was an Eastern and a Western Roman Empire. When people talk about the fall/decline of the Roman Empire, they usually mean West Rome. East Rome is more often called the Byzantine Empire.

The Byzantine Empire declined over the centuries, but Byzantium remained unconquered for 1000 years after the official "fall" of the western empire. In the 15th century, it was taken by the Ottoman Empire and is now, as Istanbul, the capital of Turkey.

[–] elliot_crane@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Not to ummm ackshually you, but Istanbul is the largest city and economic/financial hub of Turkey. The capital is a city called Ankara.

I only know this because years ago I heard a news report refer to the Turkish government as “Ankara” the same way they refer to the US as “Washington”.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Thanks. The correction is welcome.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Constantine adopted Christianity as the official religion of the empire.

That kept the empire alive for a couple more centuries and gave the Byzantines another millennia of time to fuck around. Christianity was central to Constantine's continued control of the military, which had stopped being an elite profession of the nobility and transitioned into a proletarian wage labor position.

Absent a strong socially cohesive force to keep his armed forces loyal, the Roman state would have disintegrated a lot sooner.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

Not sure if bait or not

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

Say... Florida? In the Mar-A-Lago vicinity?

[–] Syndic@feddit.de 2 points 11 months ago

Rome fell for a lot more than two reasons and it took at least 200 centuries during which they suffered civil war after civil war between emperors fighting for power, severely weakening the empire over this long time.

So while the US currently might have a few facets similar to Rome during it's decline, it differs in a lot of other points. So I'd say it's simply not comparable.

[–] Lath@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's an opinion, not a fact. Here's another opinion.

Constantine adopted Christianity because the people adopted Christianity and if he didn't follow suit, bad shit would've happened, mostly to him.
And the capital was moved to Constantinople to account for the growing asian influence that was beginning to threaten the empire. The west fucking up after that would have happened regardless of the capital being there.

The Abbasids fucked up the same way and no one gives them shit about it.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago

Constantine adopted Christianity because the people adopted Christianity

Most estimates have ~10% of the population as Christian (and some of them only dubiously so) when Constantine adopted Christianity.

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Gotta fall to empire from 500 year republic first.

Wait oh shit.

[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Does it count if it's only 250 years?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Speed run any %?

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

We have another 200 years or so as a republic, this is our... [checks notes] Second Punic War.

[–] RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Tbf Rome also has shit roads nowadays

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago

Rome's "good roads" would be shit by todays standards. They didn't have to deal with thousands of heavy cars and trucks driving over them daily.

America's roads are shit because maintaining roads is expensive and suburban sprawl means you need to maintain a hell of a lot of road mileage per capita.

Fuck car dependency.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

Their roads didn't have to cope with yank tanks pummeling the everliving shit out of them all day.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Not going to be satisfied until a horse wins a US Senate race.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

And they knew what to do with a bad ruler.

THROW HIM FROM THE TARPEIAN ROCK!

[–] theodewere@kbin.social 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

only empire wannabes like Russia ask questions like that