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One more gentle nudge towards only stupid people reproducing.
But that’s probably the conservative goal. Playing the long game, expanding their base.
Yup. That's why they ban books and cut funding for public education. They want uneducated people to keep voting for Republican candidates who put their own kids into private schools, and the cycle continues.
Neofeudalism, having fun yet?
Jokes on her: I know Smoothie when I see 'm
This comment makes me Happy!
My dude, they are forty years into the long-term plan. It’s going really well
Definitely that, but it's a two birds thing. Their base is horribly ignorant, but they are not. They are 100% malicious. Not only do they get to control the rights of people they've never empathized with, they get to do exactly what you said over time.
Exactly. The goal in red states is to cultivate a large population of angry and unintelligent people by essentially forcing the impoverished to have kids and sending them through dismantled education systems. They are creating a feeder system for the military and for Republican votes. That's just my conspiracy theory.
'Only stupid people reproducing' rhetoric unfortunately is veeeery close to eugenics talking points
Not at all. Everyone should be entitled to a safe, healthy life no matter their traits or attributes. Restricting people's reproductive choices is insidious and people can't be trusted to do it properly, even if there was a 'fair' way to do it. It doesn't stop conservatives from constantly doing just that, though.
What I am getting at is, the more stupid laws that get passed to 'punish' people for having sex, the more people on the end of the spectrum that have good critical thinking skills will choose to delay or avoid having kids in that place that's making the stupid laws. It's strictly about incentivizing behavior through policy.
That's all true and fair. And I'm certain that's part of the plan of Republicans. That doesn't mean we have to also think the way they do about it. It creates a narrative of reproduction of certain people being less desirable as that of others. While that doesn't restrict those people's reproductive rights per se, it creates an ethical conundrum about who should and shouldn't reproduce. Again, I'm sure rightists believe those things, but aren't we above that? It also reinforces the narrative that things like rational thinking skills are genetic rather than the result of education or lack thereof, which is a wholly separate issue that also has to be solved. Can't we focus the discussion on this, simultaneously making sure more people realize what we perceive as intelligence is mainly an issue of education and not much of genetics?
That's all true and fair as well. But I think you're arguing against a point I wasn't trying to make. I never wanted to imply there was a 'should' group and a 'shouldn't' group. I don't believe the government (or the church) has any business in how many kids someone has. I do believe that laws like this add to the pile of reasons certain groups of people will delay or refrain from having kids at all. I know because I'm in that group.
The education part is a whole other conundrum, and you seem to feel that has a much bigger impact on the situation. I agree with you, if so. Access to a good education is the real equalizer in life, if you can say such a thing exists.
Great discussion!
Sorry I phrased it in a way that made it sound like YOU were saying certain groups should or shouldn't have kids. What I'm trying to say is that I personally feel like even just pointing out that something is making more 'stupid' people reproduce keeps the narrative of who should or shouldn't have kids alive, even if that's not the intention. I think we should try to let that narrative die. But yeah I think we agree about pretty much everything else. I know it's a big current problem that people delay or even refrain from having kids. And I find it quite heartbreaking, I'm very sorry you have to consider all this in your family planning.
All I'm trying to say is maybe we should consider how we speak about these issues, because prejudiced individuals and groups could read it like we're agreeing with their prejudice, which reinforces their prejudice. I hope I'm making sense? We're trying to say republicans are trying to keep the masses dumb, and by this we mean they like that those who can't access the education necessary to form critical thinking skills are having kids who also won't be able to access this education. But without this clarification, it could sound like we're saying that certain people having kids leads to a dumber population, which is good for rightists and bad for us. Am I being overly cautious maybe?
And yes, that is what what I was trying to say about education being a driving factor!
And yeah, I'm enjoying this discussion too!
I don't think there are many people here who think the solution is for stupid people to stop reproducing, rather that our education system stop producing so many stupid people.
I didn't specify in my original comment that you replied to. This is exactly my thinking. I just worry the original phrasing might be playing into eugenicists cards and feel we'd be safer if we specified that we mean exactly what you said.
The original version would have allowed a child support action at any time following conception, but the measure was amended to have such an action apply only retroactively after the birth within the time limit.
Weird, it's almost like there's a huge difference between a fertilized egg and a baby.
It also dodges issues with abortion and child support.
Any young buck reading this: If you have insurance, they'll usually cover vascectomy with a minimal co-pay. Do it. Contact your doctor, your insurance company, figure it out and do it. Yeah, it's a little weird having someone shave your junk, and you're achy for a few days after, but think about it. A lifetime of less stress and more money. Just do it. You'll thank me in your dotage.
I didn’t even have a co pay for mine.
Same. The whole thing was covered by insurance.
I think my co-pay was $20.
I second this. This is good life advice for pretty much any guy out there right now.
Shave it yourself before the appt
They still have to shave it again at the doctor. My mom said she wished people wouldn't pre-shave surgical sites (she's a nurse, not just a weirdo offering to shave people for fun).
ETA: If your doctor tells you to shave before a procedure, do it. It's probably just a good bet in general to always follow whatever pre-op instructions you get from your specific provider because every doctor is different.
Fuck my doctor. He didn't mention prepping the area, so I didn't shave, figured they'd take care of it. Nope. Didn't shave, just cut then applied glue to my sack.
The glue on my hairy sack was the worst part of the whole experience, and it lasted for 2 weeks. I left feedback but it works have been a much better experience of they'd just told me to shave.
Holy shit. Apparently a lot of places don't do it there and will tell people to do it themselves a couple days before (not sure if it's practice to practice, doctor's preference, or what) but I've never heard of anyone just doing a vasectomy on hairy skin. That suuuucks.
Why shouldn't we?
She said it just makes the skin more irritated because they have to go over it make sure there's no stubble, missed spots, etc, and shaving over freshly shaved skin is just kind of harsh. Especially in sensitive areas.
Mine told me not to. Had a decent looking nurse take care of it beforehand. It was an odd, but not terrible experience.
Why would you feel the need to comment on the nurse's appearance ??
BECAUSE PRETTY PEOPLE UNSETTLE ME WHILE THEY'RE SHAVING MY BALLS!
It's also not nearly as bad as I thought it would be. Once I told the Dr to stop telling me what he was doing down there and talk about movies or some shit it was no big deal. Best investment I've ever made.
What about child tax credits for frozen embryos?
Ok here is an idea: get some sperm and with IVF get it fertilized. Now you have a frozen child. Since the age starts at birth as long as the child isn't implanted it will never hit 18. Meaning you can still collect child support until the IVF facility has an accident or the father dies. For bonus points you can implant two eggs which, according to what I just read, is about 40% of the dad's income up to 120k a year on average. For extra bonus points you can demand that the father puts you under a family insurance plan saving you about 8k a year on insurance.
If you pull this off right you can grab about 50k a year tax free.
Now all I need is some eggs and rich guy sperm, never have to work again. So ladies if you are angry about being reduced to less important than a cluster of cells you now know how you can exploit the situation. Just make sure you don't let him flush the condom after you find some rich guy at a bar.
summary of the bill:
child support may be retroactive to nine months prior to the date the child is born if the order is entered within the first year after the birth of the child.
Even shitty lawmakers think of things like that.
Aaaaaaand in 3... 2... 1... abortion rights are about to become a bit more popular at the polls
They always strum up abortion rights because they have nothing else to create discourse. Their whole strategy is not to cooperate to create arguments and get votes through hate. It helps no one. Especially the people.
Well. They are consistent at least.
Kentucky trying to bankrupt itself, about par for course with republicans. In a short lived Anarchy their biggest donors are the clear winners.