Sinéad O'Connor is dead. Long live Sinéad O'Connor and her patriarchy smashing ways : witchesvspatriarchy

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago (3 children)

“Ms O’Connor converted to Islam in 2018 and changed her name to Shuhada Sadaqat, though continued to perform under the name Sinead O’Connor.”

That’s utterly bizarre. Thought she was against the church and child abuse.

[–] bestnerd@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah what? She is seen fighting patriarchy but joins one of the most oppressive religions

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Exactly. Seems so bizarre to me. I’ll rip a picture of the pope because of child abuse but then I’ll join a religion that prays to a deity that took a child bride at 6 and consummated the marriage when she was 9…

[–] anewbeginning@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

She was never the most stable of people.

[–] blujan@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

She was against the church at least, not sure about against abuse...

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Wasn't she Christian? I thought she famously demanded to be excommunicated from the church and was at one point ordained as a priest.

Either way though kinda unfair to call something as broad a Islam a cult. There are quite famously thousands of different sects of Islamic belief and philosophy and they disagree quite a lot with each other. Islam, like Christianity, has become an amorphous belief system that can really be whatever you want it to be so long as you live somewhere religion isn't forced upon you. There are many Muslims who would definitely not support child marriage for instance, and there are also plenty who (obviously wrongly) would support it. But its not really fair to treat both groups of people as though they are one. You don't really know how any individual Muslim or Christian may think or feel about anything purely based on their self-identifiying as muslim or christian.

I'm opposed to the existence of any hierarchy, including of course religious hierarchy and the existence of clergy as a class of people with authority. But I don't think anyone is wrong purely for being religious at all. I wouldn't describe someone believing in God or Allah as being in a cult.

[–] renlok@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago

Theres basically no difference between a cult or a religion. A religion just is a big cult.

[–] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

This community is actually pro-coven and pro-cult. We are far more suspicious of large religions than small ones, due to the greater potential for abuse. The image of cults as abusive is a christian invention designed to eliminate the competition. It's the exact same tactic they used during the witch hunts, and we don't stand for that sort of thing.

[–] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Christianity and Islam are not cults. The original meaning of cult is "a small religion". This new definition of cult as "an abusive religion" was invented by christians trying to destroy small religions. We don't stand for that definition here, because many witches and other magic users are part of cults that are not abusive.

[–] trimmerfrost@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago

Proves that she's not against child abuse but against just Christianity

[–] Odo@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Aw, no... I remember the backlash to the event pictured, and not nearly as much talk about why she did it. A few days later she faced down an angry crowd and was comforted by Kris Kristofferson.

10-15 years later the allegations were mainstream news, proving to many doubters she was right years before. Hope she's at peace.

[–] vitokun@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Rest in Peace!

[–] Historical_General@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

@HardlightCereal@lemmy.world I want to offer to mod here. I quite like and know the community back from the old place and I'm happy to see it getting active.

[–] frankie392227@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Heads up this community has zero association with the mods of r/WitchesVsPatriarchy, and the reddit mods want to make it clear they don't want to be associated due to this: https://raddle.me/f/lobby/168609/so-apparently-i-m-an-enbyphobic-enby-according-to-this

More evidence is available in the TOSBreaches threads on raddle. You don't need an account to read them.

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[–] flicker@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago

This is such a hilarious take to me, because I see incel idiots describing women (and especially liberated women) as fatherless all the time, but my father was an amazing role model who had a very active presence in my life, well until I was an adult and living on my own, and he finally died of the hereditary blood disorder that'll probably kill me, too.

And the thing is, I'm middle-aged, and have my own husband and family now, and I know my father would be proud of me. And he was a Catholic Republican! If he was alive, we would have lots to disagree on, sure, but we would respect each other while we did so.

That's why I always laugh when I see this crap about how women who dye their hair or own a cat or believe in women having rights is a result of a lack of love from a male father figure. Because the truth is, every time I see it, I think;

"Now, this is the hot take of a man who is repeating the advice of his only father figure- some overpaid, no-chin chucklefuck he found on YouTube."

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