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  • Ukrainian forces launched a surprise offensive into Russia's Kursk region last Tuesday.
  • They have captured around 1,000 square kilometers of Russian land so far, Kyiv's top general said.
  • That figure is almost as much territory as Russia has seized in Ukraine this year.
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[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 119 points 10 months ago (4 children)

This bit seems relevant, given that Ukraine's stated intention has always been reclaiming their own land:

The overall goal of the incursion is not immediately clear. Conflict analysts have suggested that Ukraine may be trying to alleviate some pressure on its forces elsewhere along the sprawling front line, gain leverage for potential territorial negotiations with Russia, or even just humiliate Moscow and boost morale in Kyiv.

[–] worldwidewave@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That, or “reclaiming their own land” was a bit more expansive than we all realized /s

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 26 points 10 months ago

Technically Earth is the native land of all Ukrainians.

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[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago

They're doing all three of those, and also may be effectively flanking the Kremlin's defense along that part of the front.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I've heard Kursk has the gas pipeline to Europe.

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[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 90 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Time for denazification of Russia.

[–] tilefan@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

we need to stop calling everything we don't like nazism. Russia will need to be de-Putin'd

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[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 89 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So... Ukraine is capturing Russia as fast as Russia initially expected to capture Ukraine.

[–] Pete90@feddit.org 39 points 10 months ago

It would be absolutely hilarious, if the whole thing wasn't so sad. Nevertheless, it's a welcome change of direction in this war and shows what a determined country and army can do against such a big aggressor.

I just hope it actually changes something in the end. Let's hope Putler meets his window to fall out of soon.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 83 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] margaritox@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

Heroyam Slava 🇺🇦

[–] nl4real@lemmy.world 74 points 10 months ago

Zelenskyy went from being a comedian to clowning on Putin in only a few years.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 72 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Logistics is king folks, remember that.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure access to Western intelligence doesn't hurt either.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (1 children)

And having competent generals.

Even as we speak, one of the few good and well respected Russian generals who dared speak out at the poor leadership of the general staff, had been arrested for supposed fraud. https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-arrested-general-ivan-popov-fraud-d8c4d6a7d447ff801b3f15bc540f77b6

[–] BatrickPateman@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I approve. The more idiots are in charge wasting what little offensive capabilities Russia has left the better for Ukraine.

Is there a list of more competent people, I mean fraudsters? Russian authorities can sure need some anonymous tips, right?

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I used to think Putin is Stalin-lite, but he is actually more in line with an incompetent tsar. There is stark resemblance with the Putin's army and the post-Napoleonic tsarist Russian army. Both bathed themselves in past military glories from defeating Napoleon and Nazi Germany respectively. They paraded themselves with flashy uniforms and spectacles of new technological weaponry. But in the subsequent years and generations after that, tsarist Russia got mauled by the Ottomans, French and British alliance and Japanese. And post-WWII Russia got their assets handed by the Afghans and now Ukrainians.

[–] rustydomino@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

I forget who said it, but an American general once said "Amateurs discuss tactics; professionals discuss logistics."

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 64 points 10 months ago (1 children)

East Ukraine sounds like it might be a nice place one day.

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[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 60 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Here's to Ukraine becoming the capital of the larger Ukrainian Federation that will be needed after the fall of Russia.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 23 points 10 months ago

I mean, fuck Putin, but don't delude yourself that this will get easier

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Why in the world would you want to create a new iteration of the same shit?

[–] Reality_Suit@lemmy.one 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

What do you mean? Ukraine is not Russia. The corruption of Ukraine is from Putler placed politicians.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I think the point is no one really wants any country to have that much territory it just causes problems, especially when large parts of it are not really productive. It just results in a very large population and an enormous burden on the government.

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[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is this the timeline where Ukraine kills Putin and puts his head on a Pike? Find out next time on dragon ball z!

[–] Plopp@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What did the fish do to deserve that?

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 10 months ago

It knows what it did

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 29 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they should just swap countries and be done with it.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago (7 children)

I still wonder what their main objective is

[–] suzune@ani.social 83 points 10 months ago (3 children)

To disperse the army from the northeastern fronts. Russia is now forced to defend the entire border and cannot focus their attacks on their previous objectives.

This is a good move.

[–] Eximius@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That, and they can potentially dismantle staging areas for planes and other infrastructure (in this case gas pipeline).

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Both of those, and they force engagements with Russia to force them to throw men and materiel at it, further depleting Russian stockpiles.

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

Leverage for negotiations.

Their gains would be much less for the same expense, were they in areas where Russia expects to be attacked.

It's the same pattern with bullies - they are always surprised when the victim is no longer forbidden to hit everywhere and not only where the bully took initiative.

Worked in Artsakh in 90's too against Soviet and Azeri forces. Sadly the last few years (or two decades) have undone this largely.

But just like in Artsakh, they shouldn't agree to any frozen status, or it will end just like for Artsakh. They should just keep advancing until Russia does something to guarantee their security.

[–] Shard@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I hope its not just for negotiating.

I hope by breaking the Russian front, they have created openings that they can now exploit to tear down Russian defenses.

Russia has created a really difficult frontal defense thats many layers of mine fields and defensive positions interlaced. But now their sides and backs are exposed and it's much easier for Ukraine to out flank the defense and unseat Russian defenses.

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[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

In my completely unresearched opinion?

"We just kept advancing, and it just kept working".

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[–] Bapanada@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago

So sad Vlad

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Does Ukraine get an exception from the general advice against invading Russia? Winter is coming. But they kinda have some advantages over prior attempts.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes they do get an exception because they are just as familiar to the climate as the orcs. It's not like Kursk et al has proper defenses RUs can hole up inside. The orcs literally just lost the Kursk battallian HQ building lol (forgive the leddit link)

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Is this a real thing? I only hear news about it on a couple niche youtube channels that I am not sure aren't propaganda. Searching "Ukraine" on Lemmy for the last week yields a very small number of results. I haven't heard word one about it from my mainstream sources. What the fuck? Is there an embargo on this or something??

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

That's not the impression I've been getting. This has been covered extensively from places ranging from BBC and Telegraph to PBS, and numerous reddit subs. I haven't seen this much activity centered on Ukraine in a while.

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