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Damn, when you get kicked off the Thiel grifter pipeline, you get straight punted. Not even the callous disregard and abandonment practiced by a certain outer-borough real estate hustler, instead it's reverse apotheosis

I believe OG Scratch was on top of Squeak Smalltalk, current version is on top of JavaScript.

I am being a bit unfair, it's good to see project principals getting out ahead of this. A lot of people glom onto Arch because of some perceived elitism, and it's a hop skip and a jump from that to convincing yourself you're part of the "master race"

VHS won in the end, in part because they allowed spicy mode 😉

Stop gooning for 5 minutes challenge, difficulty level: impossible

Come on, Elon, I still post on Something Awful constantly and even I can do it

Is it time yet to begin accepting that Arch is kind of ass anyway? I had a bad experience with updates crapping out on Manjaro, the original Arch-plus distro, and then somebody told me that Arch developers build all the packages on their local machines, not a secured build server??? Maybe that was just the AUR stuff, but still. And you need to update all packages in lock-step. I'll take the flexibility of Gentoo every time, where I can easily keep a stable base system and experiment with less-stable upstream packages around the edge, and still have it all make sense.

Having a bunch of out-and-proud fascists and bigots maintaining one of your most popular frontends is the kind of shit that kills projects. It's not just Framework, Arch needs to get out ahead of this if they don't want to get passed up. Not too long before having Valve downstream is the only thing they've got going for them, and that's not guaranteed to be a happy relationship forever.

Between this and the relatively disappointing GPU refresh for their Framework 16 (Nvidia 5070 8GB? That's it?! 🤮 ), doesn't look like they'll be getting my money anytime soon either. Seems like the used Thinkpad + LibreBoot crowd stays winning

This author touches on a point that dovetails with my thinking:

Dijkstra, in “On the foolishness of ‘natural language programming’,” wrote, rather poignantly: “We have to challenge the assumptions that natural languages would simplify work.” And: “The virtue of formal texts is that their manipulation, in order to be legitimate, need to satisfy only a few simple rules; they are, when you come to think of it, an amazingly effective tool for ruling out all sorts of nonsense that, when we use our native tongues, are almost impossible to avoid.”

I think it likely that these tools will not be judged, in the long term, by the ambitions and hopes of the AGI cultists and hype-men, but by comparison to the many other attempts at natural-language programming in English. Smalltalk, Visual Basic, I even want to throw in AppleScript, as simple and threadbare as it was. How are all of these doing now?

AppleScript has been complemented or perhaps superseded by at least two more graphically-oriented attempts at system automation targeted at non-technical users. One could argue that its falloff came from an imperfect marriage with the message-passing/service-oriented architecture based on Objective-C and inherited from NeXT in Mac OS X, a system design which is itself now vestigial. The comparison with LLM coding assistants is imperfect, as they seem to be typically targeted at the more granular level of the class or the method, rather than explicit high-level hooks in an application. A better comparison here would be the last year or so worth of "AI agents," but, uhm, ahh...

Smalltalk seemed to have a pretty big boom in the late 80s/early 90s, but tapered off rapidly after that. I like the more modern implementation of Pharo well enough, but it strives to throw in everything and the kitchen sink, with a downright balk-worthy amount of packages listed when you open up the class browser. On top of that, a few weeks ago I noticed someone in their Discord telling a newbie that current good practice is to file out your code every once in a while and then start over with a fresh image, as various background processes in stock images typically become unstable over time. This is orthogonal to the natural-language-like design, but it is a stumbling block to the sense of "liveness" and interactivity that is similarly a big hook for LLM assistance. Furthermore, as far as I know, they still don't have a stable answer for system-level parallelism in the VM. All I've seen is a rather awkward technique for spinning off tree-shaken child VMs if there's some method you want to run in parallel. You've got to really love Smalltalk to want to work past that shortcoming!

VB.NET I can't really speak to, except that it seems Microsoft now considers it a stable language with little if any new feature development. The original implementation never seemed to have a good rep for maintainability, and the very idea of native Forms seems out of fashion compared to JavaScript web-app frontends. And the land of JavaScript, of course, seems to be the most fertile and uncontested kingdom of LLM coding assistance. I'm genuinely interested to hear more experiences with modern VB, as it strikes me as the last great corporate-sanctioned push for non-technical users to build their own apps, and thus the most worthy comparison.

All this is to say that each of these previous attempts at natural-language programming haven't bit-rotted too hard, implementations are still available and you can probably salvage a legacy project with some effort. But each of them have been sidelined by industry over time. Not necessarily because of Dijkstra's objection to the ambition of approaching natural language, although I don't think we can totally discount that as a factor. But other technical or platform restrictions certainly hamstrung each of them. And LLM tools are still mostly API-based SaaS, which always has the glaring technical vulnerability of the provider running out of money. Yes, people will still pursue local models, but the bubble bursting could do a lot more harm to this approach than proponents anticipate.

Future Elephant Graveyard target?

We're perhaps underrating the distribution of t-shirts with appropriately subversive messaging as a tactic in psychological operations. The sudden appearance of a zamboni, and distribution of assets via novel ballistic means, is also likely to drive enthusiasm among the target population.

What if the stage play is a more tightly-scripted pro-wrestling show? Whether consciously or not, that would probably accurately capture the mindset of most of the original participants

No, it will not harm the anarchist—it will make his day, his year, and maybe his life. All the money and power in the world will be at his defense. He will not even need to lift a finger to organize his own lawyers, much less pay them. In the end, as with many of the BLM rioters, he will probably be well compensated, with taxpayer funds, for his trouble. Not to mention all the pussy and/or dick s/he will, as a martyr, be entitled to! For the Islamist, this reward is only in heaven. But for the leftist it comes on earth.

ah dammit, anarchist HQ did an anarchy to my martyr's genital preference form again. now I'm getting dicked down harder than I've ever been - straight thru the mantle to the core of the earth. It's like a porn parody of The Core over here, and I'm not even anywhere near Portland

If I imagine that my butt is a rocket, then I can fart my way to the moon