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[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 67 points 18 hours ago (6 children)

While I agree with telling Trump to go lick Elon's balls, states are specifically forbidden from entering into trade agreements with foreign countries by the Constitution. To do this, California would need to be willing to secede from the Union. I'm okay with it.

The best I could tell from the article was that all he was doing was essentially lobbying foriegn countries to tailor their responses so that they hurt california less than other states. I can't see any law blocking that. From what I could tell he wasn't even offering anything real in exchange.

[–] Filthmontane@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

California produces 10% of American agricultural needs. If they secede it would be way worse on the economy than these tariffs.

[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 7 points 8 hours ago

I think if California were to secede, Oregon and Washington probably would too. A lot of blue states that border Canada would also probably Jump ship. New York and Michigan might secede too. Those 5 states make up almost 30% of America's economy and are the center of very lucrative industries like the movie industry, automotive industry, electronics and software industries, the global financial industry. Those 5 states would do just fine without the United States but the United states would be an unimportant backwater without them.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 2 points 9 hours ago

depending on which produce item its significantly higher

[–] Ckjazz@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

I'm genuinely curious on how realistic this is... I can't imagine it's a simple process, but like what would need to happen for California to become it's own country?

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

To do so legally, Constitutional Convention. 2/3 of states would have to agree to let it go. And everyone would have to hammer out what happens to federal assets inside the state.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

There is basically zero chance they successfully secede. There is however a slightly above zero chance they seriously try.

California trying to secede would be stupid enough to make Trump look like a top mensa candidate.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 1 points 6 hours ago

At the moment, California is taking signatures for studying a "CALexit" plan. It is about 500,000 signatures by July for a successful petition. After that, California starts to study the costs, opportunities, logistics, and other aspects of leaving the union.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You're implying the constitution has any weight right now (it doesn't)

I'd say fuckin do it

[–] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 22 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It depends on who's breaking the law/constitution.

[–] TheEntity@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

At this point it's hardly the law and the constitution. These are just unpredictable whims of the people in power.

[–] scala@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Texas couldn't secede, probably because it's a red state..how amazing would it be if California became it's own country with actual progressive laws. I for one would allow it. Let them become Canada, Mexico or even it's own. Do it Cali!

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 17 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

And it's the same for the European union. European states can't get trade agreements by themselves. So when you read "Italy is ready to talk with trump" is just sucking dick

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 17 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Merkel had to explain that to Trump 11 times last time he was president. I bet he forgot it again.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Not really a matter of forgetting. Trump was a leading advocate for Brexit. He wants to see the EU dissolved.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Putin does anyway and thus so does Trump

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

More than those two, by a long shot. The AfD, the Le Penns, Reform UK, the list goes on.

[–] interested_party@lemmy.org 2 points 17 hours ago