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Bernie Sanders rally in LA draws thousands to protest Trump: ‘We can’t just let this happen’
(www.theguardian.com)
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I supported Bernie in 2016 and 2020 but we’re at this juncture because he rolled over and let Dems cheat him out of the nomination twice. The Dems have continued to push disastrous strategies one after another.
These types of demonstrations only serve to rile up the base, not help them with Independents in swing states, who are the ones that decide elections. They should be going there and building their networks now and seeing what those people think.
AOC and Bernie will get into swing states later, if not sooner. Besides, those swing states you mentioned were solidly Democratic until the pressure of globalisation and jobs outsourcing made former Democratic voters had enough, and they had been big fans of Obama. I think AOC and Bernie won't have any problems rallying the swing states.
I’m from NC and the South previously being Democrat doesn’t have a positive influence. Especially since Dems have taken the opposition to tariffs. The people whose jobs were replaced associate globalizing decisions with Democrats (especially Clinton) and want to punish other countries who “stole” our jobs, whether it’s ultimately better for us or not. Also we weren’t big fans of Obama, he just faced weak candidates, MAGA didn’t exist yet, and he could rally the black male vote that has slowly been turning conservative. Those guys are not going to vote for an old white dude or AOC. Perhaps they’ll have a better chance in WI, MI, and PA.
The only ways I see Dems winning in the South is to change their priorities (ie stop dying on the 20% hill on 80/20 issues), if the tariffs cause a recession, or there’s another Black Swan event like the pandemic that Trump fumbles. Otherwise, as Jon Stewart was saying lately, Trump is beating their approval ratings by 20% overall, so likely even more in swing states.
Trump won by a larger margin in 2024 than in 2020, after multiple convictions and Jan 6. He had the biggest swing state vote margin apart from Obama who as I’ve said was a unique candidate/cycles.
I volunteered for Kamala and was semi shocked at the results, but it also made me expand my news sources and talk more to ideologically different people, which is why I’m more negative about Dems’ swing state chances, particularly in NC and GA.
The only issues that have remotely resonated with fellow independents is if they go past pursuing visa students and attack free speech for citizens.
Honestly, I plugged my nose and supported Dems chosen candidate since 2020 and I won’t do it again unless it’s someone like Pete.
Those are the places that I mean. Those states are part of the infamous Rust Belt area whose citizens are mostly working class that used to vote Democrats. They are now the swing states that I believe AOC and Bernie could easily win.
What was he supposed to do after losing the nomination.that you would not consider rolling over?
Run as an Independent (which he is anyway, he only caucuses with the Dems) and split the vote. In 2016 it wouldn’t have even mattered. Then maybe they wouldn’t have undermined him before Super Tuesday 2020 when he had destroyed Biden in IA bit the DNC put out rumors that SC was going to overwhelmingly vote Biden.
Then also maybe they wouldn’t have pushed Kamala, without so much as a single primary vote (in 2020 or 2024).
Anyway that’s water under the bridge. Do you honestly think the DNC will let either of these 2 run for president, regardless of the support they get? If so, be prepared for disappointment like Bernie Bros in 2016 and 2020.