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Tens of thousands. Surprisingly they didn't say "dozens."
"At least" is doing some HEAVY lifting there. They way i trust the media these days, I'd judge there's a zero they chopped of the end of that.
Wonder how large it's gonna have to get before they start saying the crowd is there to see the Decemberists.
"I just thought it was the line for the bathroom..."
lol, I saw “thousands” and was expecting 3,500 or something. It would have been just as efficient to say the exact number.
lol, I saw “thousands” and was expecting 3,500 or something.
Yes, that was the idea.
"Some"
They need a different slogan. This fighting over one side or the other “taking America back” in a tit for tat is ridiculous.
That's exactly what we need to do though. Billionaires have stolen the American dream from tens of millions of people.
How specifically?
The sad fact is the American dream has been diminished (not entirely stolen) by fellow Americans voting contrary to the policies that enriched them and earlier generations. Free trade with poor countries we couldn’t compete with, attacking unions/right-to-work, redlining, suburban flight, restrictive zoning, NIMBYism. None of these were caused by Billionaires. Even now, they’re kept in place by fellow Americans who see housing as an investment and who’ve gotten theirs and want to keep the casino going.
Well the simplest thing is we as individuals cannot compete against a company with billions of dollars of capital at their disposal. I can't get into manufacturing hats for example because Amazon can copy what I make, manufacture it overseas for a tenth of the price, and sell it anywhere in America.
Billionaires have enough money to turn into political power to influence the very policies that allow for right-to-work, redlining, etc to exist. The Pinkertons are a great example of attacking unions and organized labor completely funded by private capital.
Americans vote while billionaires like Elon Musk alter their perceptions of what to vote for.
You could get into that easily before the tariffs. Paying Chinese companies and drop shipping via Amazon FBA. It’s quite possible you can via other countries, China is the only one I’m familiar with.
Amazon is a publicly traded company. You’re not competing with Bezos. 65% of Americans have money in the markets, most with a 401k that likely invests in Amazon.
I’d agree with you that they can influence discourse, but prior to Musk buying X, in 2022, the platform was (per CNN’s Harry Enten) overwhelmingly liberal. As of after the election, it was 48% Democrat/47% Republican. So he shifted it towards the 50/50 in the population vs every other site including this one
How many times has he bragged about his attendance numbers? I believe by my count that would be zero.
Sanders isn't one to brag. He does rock a mean pair of wool mittens though!
He recently brought it up with pride when they had done some the previous weekend or two ago. It wasn’t bragging, but excitement at how many people are really connecting together to fight this.
Any word on the how?
Tea party the democratic party, and obstruct until then
Make America irrelevant. Do what you can to ensure that their collapse only affects the ~5% of the human race that's unfortunate enough to live there.
Speaking up is definitely the first step.
I supported Bernie in 2016 and 2020 but we’re at this juncture because he rolled over and let Dems cheat him out of the nomination twice. The Dems have continued to push disastrous strategies one after another.
These types of demonstrations only serve to rile up the base, not help them with Independents in swing states, who are the ones that decide elections. They should be going there and building their networks now and seeing what those people think.
AOC and Bernie will get into swing states later, if not sooner. Besides, those swing states you mentioned were solidly Democratic until the pressure of globalisation and jobs outsourcing made former Democratic voters had enough, and they had been big fans of Obama. I think AOC and Bernie won't have any problems rallying the swing states.
I’m from NC and the South previously being Democrat doesn’t have a positive influence. Especially since Dems have taken the opposition to tariffs. The people whose jobs were replaced associate globalizing decisions with Democrats (especially Clinton) and want to punish other countries who “stole” our jobs, whether it’s ultimately better for us or not. Also we weren’t big fans of Obama, he just faced weak candidates, MAGA didn’t exist yet, and he could rally the black male vote that has slowly been turning conservative. Those guys are not going to vote for an old white dude or AOC. Perhaps they’ll have a better chance in WI, MI, and PA.
The only ways I see Dems winning in the South is to change their priorities (ie stop dying on the 20% hill on 80/20 issues), if the tariffs cause a recession, or there’s another Black Swan event like the pandemic that Trump fumbles. Otherwise, as Jon Stewart was saying lately, Trump is beating their approval ratings by 20% overall, so likely even more in swing states.
Trump won by a larger margin in 2024 than in 2020, after multiple convictions and Jan 6. He had the biggest swing state vote margin apart from Obama who as I’ve said was a unique candidate/cycles.
I volunteered for Kamala and was semi shocked at the results, but it also made me expand my news sources and talk more to ideologically different people, which is why I’m more negative about Dems’ swing state chances, particularly in NC and GA.
The only issues that have remotely resonated with fellow independents is if they go past pursuing visa students and attack free speech for citizens.
Honestly, I plugged my nose and supported Dems chosen candidate since 2020 and I won’t do it again unless it’s someone like Pete.
Perhaps they’ll have a better chance in WI, MI, and PA.
Those are the places that I mean. Those states are part of the infamous Rust Belt area whose citizens are mostly working class that used to vote Democrats. They are now the swing states that I believe AOC and Bernie could easily win.
What was he supposed to do after losing the nomination.that you would not consider rolling over?
Run as an Independent (which he is anyway, he only caucuses with the Dems) and split the vote. In 2016 it wouldn’t have even mattered. Then maybe they wouldn’t have undermined him before Super Tuesday 2020 when he had destroyed Biden in IA bit the DNC put out rumors that SC was going to overwhelmingly vote Biden.
Then also maybe they wouldn’t have pushed Kamala, without so much as a single primary vote (in 2020 or 2024).
Anyway that’s water under the bridge. Do you honestly think the DNC will let either of these 2 run for president, regardless of the support they get? If so, be prepared for disappointment like Bernie Bros in 2016 and 2020.