Trump is such a disgusting thing
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I just watched the last half of the full meeting. Zelensky asked what guarantees there are the Russians won't just invade again. The subtext of which is an offer to house US troops in Ukraine. But all the fucking clown car heard was a challenge to their machismo.
So they shouted him down and just loudly asserted he would either sign their deal or fight it out. Along the way they manage to insult him by treating him like a child and pretending that previous broken agreements, (invasion of Crimea, Invasion of Donetsk, and Invasion of Ukraine) were because Putin didn't respect the American President enough. But Putin is also the victim in all of this according to Trump.
I've seen better diplomacy from a high school football team.
For more subtext, if there were any real guarantees then this would not have happened in the meeting with the press. Zelensky would have told reporters there were guarantees. This entire blow up means that Trump already told him there would be no guarantees other than the honor system. Which, even if Trump is right, (Putin respects Trump and won't invade while he's president), Zelensky knows that means Putin will invade again in 2028 after Trump's term is over. And that's without getting into all of the implications about Putin holding this over Trump's head for concessions so Trump can appear to be the peacemaker.
I agree with Trump on one thing. We're fucking around with World War 3, but Trump isn't a peacemaker, he's Chamberlain. Right down to berating the leaders who are asking for help to stop the aggressive country.
I’ve seen better diplomacy from a high school football team.
JD Vance talking about diplomacy and accusing fucking Democrats of "beating their chest" was such bullshit I have no idea where to begin with that...which is probably the point.
How are they going to project the soft power of diplomacy when they're in the business of firing half of the people that work in that part of the government? This administration, and this country is a sick, unfunny fucking joke just like the heads of it.
Which, even if Trump is right, (Putin respects Trump and won’t invade while he’s president), Zelensky knows that means Putin will invade again in 2028 after Trump’s term is over.
I realize that the first half of that is speaking about what Trump thinks (as opposed to you claiming it yourself) so this isn't me trying to contradict you, but I think it's important that we all keep in mind the actual reality of the situation:
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Putin doesn't respect Trump in the slightest; Trump is his useful idiot.
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To the extent that it's true that Putin wouldn't invade while Trump is president, it's only because (a) neutering the US by having his patsy as President achieves pretty much all the same geopolitical goals as creating a buffer state out of Ukraine does anyway, and (b) making Trump look good as a "peacemaker" is self-serving because it helps keep his patsy in place longer.
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Trump's not leaving in 2028, unless he's dead.
I agree with Trump on one thing. We’re fucking around with World War 3, but Trump isn’t a peacemaker, he’s Chamberlain. Right down to berating the leaders who are asking for help to stop the aggressive country.
Trump's not Chamberlain either. He's Stalin, making a secret agreement with Hitler (Putin) to carve up Poland (Ukraine) like a thanksgiving turkey. (The analogy is a little awkward because Russia is playing the role of Germany in it instead of itself, but I was going by who attacked the country being carved up first.)
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Krasnov gonna krasnov.
As a real American I am embarrassed and very sorry to Zelenskyy and all the people of Ukraine.
If anyone had doubts about the US switching to Russia's side, this is it.
The US is already suspending help to Ukraine.
"Everything feels increasingly like a scam"
This was absolutely insane. This is what happens when the empire no longer needs you.
Americans now
Yes, yes we are. We are the baddies and we have literal nazi's running things in our government.
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I'm actually hoping for a coup by the military industrial complex
2022 saw Europe cheering for Germany ramping up military spending.
2025 has people cheering for the military industrial complex to save democracy
2028 will be just cheering for China to finish buying the last silicon Valley remnants or something
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Trump is such garbage. There is never a time when he doesn't act like a spoiled child.
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The audacity of Vance to demand gratitude whilst twisting the knife they implanted in Zelensky's back...
For Shame...
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Trump: "just cease fire, bro"
Zelensky: "any security guarantees?"
Trump: "just stop shooting bullets, bro"
Zelensky: "we're defending our c..."
Trump: "YOU'RE LITERALLY WORLD WAR 3 RIGHT NOW"
Damn. That video is hard to watch. It's clear Zelensky is at a grave disadvantage because American English is not his first language.
It would be way easier for him to reason with these people and get his message out if he could just talk like a normal American.
He's not able to explain what's actually a very simple and clear concept: the US gave Ukraine security guarantees that it did not fulfill. Then he gets steamrolled by people who can speak English better than him and all he can do is sit back and watch.
This is not true. Zelenskyy made himself very clear: It is absolutely justified to question the value of diplomacy (2014 to 2022, covering 3 presidents) if it leads to more violence and annexation.
Trump's first language is english yet he's the one who could not articulate a single thing to guarantee lasting peace adhered to by putin. Instead he talked about the investigation of his russian ties as something that traumatized both him and putin. The guy is so demented at this point, he's really letting the truth slip out.
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I find it really interesting that almost all of the recent comments on the YouTube video are 95% the same and praising "how great all this transparency" is, completely drowning out all other comments. They're also worded very very similarly.
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Diplomacy by reality TV—Trump's Oval Office antics are reckless on the world stage.
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This is unfucking believable. If I were zelensky I would've stood up and spit in Trump's and Vance's stupid fucking faces and walked out.
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