Free Luigi. Sofar, we dont even know if he actually did it.
this post was submitted on 02 May 2025
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Under the Double Sovereignty doctrine, the Double Jeopardy clause doesn't apply in this case tho. Hence, you can be charged for the same offense twice in both stage and federal court.
You know, I thought that too at one point, but if the defendant's lawyer is trying to use double jeopardy to get this incredibly high profile, publicly scrutinized case thrown out, we should just sit down, shut up, and listen to the professionals
It’s likely just a tactic to set him up for an appeal later. The only reason you can appeal a case is if you can show that you weren’t given a fair trial.
So this is his lawyers going “you’re probably going to be railroaded and found guilty, so let’s at least ensure you have as many avenues for appeal as possible. If we force the courts to officially put it into record that you have to defend both trials at the same time, you can argue that your attorneys weren’t able to effectively do so, and therefore your constitutional right to an attorney was violated.”
Right, sure. At which point, pointing out that "double jeopardy doesn't apply" is kind of just needless pedantry.
I mean, it doesn’t apply. That is already pretty firmly established by precedent. But again, this is simply getting the courts to officially acknowledge that the prosecutors are pushing ahead even though they know the lawyers are stretched thin.
I'm not saying I agree with the doctrine; in fact I think it's unjust and would prefer it being tossed, though I seriously doubt he has any chance of succeeding on this claim, especially with the current SCOTUS. And I doubt the state's lawyers are that incompetent as to ignore it.
I read that, and then I read that it's more complicated than we might assume it is, so that's not always true. Obviously, the defense feels the same.
Has be considered running for office? Then they can't convict him for fear of looking politically biased. That's how that works, right?
Yore onto something, it's a strategy that's never failed in America
Well only if he ran as Republican, but they would rather suck CEO cock.
TBH he could be a Republican for all we know. He didn't exactly go after lobbyists or legislators who created and protect the healthcare industry, just went out and shot a guy working within it.
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Free Luigi. Also compensate him for wrongful prosecution.
Mangione’s attorneys also sought to suppress statements he made to authorities in Altoona, Pennsylvania, where he was arrested after a five-day manhunt and where “officers failed to provide him with Miranda warnings,” according Thursday's court filing.
It's crazy how everyone has known for fucking decades that cops are idiots who only "solve" cases thru presumed innocence and planting evidence to support it...
Yet neither of our two political parties have ever tried to fix it.
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IIRC, "delay, decline, depose" were in memos from UHC. Does that mean UHC is liable for the same charges for any paying customers who died, while being delayed, denied and deposed? Corporations are people as well, after all.
Of course not! A corporations first responsibly is profit for shareholders. Little things like peoples lives and obeying laws is secondary.
/s isn't really accurate here. Because although im joking. Our legal system seems seems to agree...
Unconstitutional, eh?
- Trump lawyer while rubbing their hands and salivating
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Plus there's a documentary and a musical about it. That alone jeopardizes the public opinion of him.
Being high profile and having some fanatic following didn't stop people from persecuting Alec Baldwin, although his trial ended with dismissal of charges when the state investigators failed to present evidence collected at the crime scene. TBH I think it should have just been mistrial and they should have gone after him again, I blame him for cutting corners with safety.
Not to mention every other aid on podcasts is about this case and the way they are edited it's literally "Hes guilty. Why even hold the trial?"
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They’ve also pointed to passages of Mangione’s writings, which described Mangione’s deepening fixation on UnitedHealthcare and an increasing malice over the corporation’s purported greed.
Purported greed? Does any grown-ass adult sincerely doubt that corporations are greedy? Are we so far gone that the media can't even say that without hedging? What are they going to do, sue? Good luck proving that they're not greedy since public companies have a legal obligation to make as much money as possible.
I think it's purported in this context because it lacked specific examples in the writing of Luigi Mangione.
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