It's astonishing to me how even right here on Lemmy so many people still misunderstand what this is about with comments saying that piracy fixes it or that downloading the game installer solves the issue. The games where those things are options aren't what this effort is about, this is about games like Darkspore, Defiance, Tabula Rasa, and our prototypical example The Crew, where there is no one who can play them no matter where, how, or when, they acquired the game, it is impossible to play for anyone, the whole piece of art has been destroyed.

Honestly if we can't even communicate what the movement is about to those who aught to be our base it really does not bode well for gaining any kind of wider traction.

[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 8 points 4 hours ago

I boycott single player games that require online login/validation. Rockstar and Ubisoft are on my blacklist

[–] randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 10 hours ago

Piracy is essentially a form of archivism. The digital age literally ended scarcity in digital media and these people were like "well that won't do".

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 17 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Gotta save up for some hard drives to download and keep my GOG games, plus some ~~pirated~~ totally legally acquired titles

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 hours ago

I call em full version demos. Specifically because I buy when it's good. The 2 hour steam thing sometimes, just isn't enough to really know. It usually is tho.

[–] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 67 points 11 hours ago

Im honestly so sick of online games that should be offline. I just got a few switch games to pass time on my breaks, and half of them require internet access. One of them is literally a bubble shooter.

[–] Fandangalo@lemmy.world 22 points 9 hours ago

Out of the games I’ve been fortunate to work on, 1/7 require internet, and the 1 was my first industry job as QA. Everything else has been mobile, online required. 5/7 are no longer playable / removed from the internet.

It makes me sad because my kids will never play a bunch of things I made. I can’t revisit them nostalgically. If I had made something in the 90s, it would be preserved still.

I played the cards dealt to me to follow a dream and make a living, but I wish the industry wasn’t like this. The money has always been a role, but nowadays, it’s distorted so badly.

[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 37 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Link to the games list: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1at1k7qIo5dgPp6K1aCrYIyAgNOjY-IhF
Link to the European Citizens' Initiative: eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home stopkillinggames.com

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 10 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Two more months to go and more than 50% left to reach 1 million signatures. It's sad to see that with how many people game, this petition has so little reach. I guess we'll have to wait till Fortnite is shut down, then suddenly many more will care that their childhood game is gone forever.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't know if I fully agree with the petition, but I do think that there are some real problems with the status quo.

I also think that either a legislature or courts need to provide legal criteria for the good or service division with games. I think that there probably need to be "good" games, "serviceʾ games, and possibly even games that have a component of both.

But I'm not in the EU or UK.

I also am kind of puzzled by this:

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/faq

Isn't the law on this already settled?

A: It mostly is within the United States, but not in many other countries.

It doesn't sound like it was as of 2020 in the US, at least on the good/service distinction:

https://www.carltonfields.com/insights/podcasts/lan-party-lawyers/youve-been-served-legal-effects-games-as-service

Of course, case law has never really been settled on whether games are goods or services. Right, Steve?

Steve Blickensderfer: No. No, I haven't been able to figure this out one way or the other looking at the cases.

A few quick searches haven't picked up US case law, if it's out there.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

It doesn’t sound like it was as of 2020 in the US, at least on the good/service distinction:

The creator of the Stop Killing Games campaign did a segment about the viability of fighting it in the US in a segment here: https://youtu.be/DAD5iMe0Xj4?t=1097

tl:dr, the motivated lawyer he talked with on it eventually found a court case that set a precedent that would be extremely difficult to fight in such a pro-corporate court system without extreme amounts of legal funds.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 hours ago

Unfortunately, I think it was just a lack of awareness that the petition in existed in certain countries where Ross just didn't have enough reach, possibly due to language barriers. A big push from native speakers of those countries with large audiences, like streamers, could've pushed it over the edge.

[–] rabber@lemmy.ca 19 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

that's why i dont buy digital games on nintendo. one day the service ends and it's gone forever.

[–] pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not buying Nintendo at all, so many shitty policies from that camp

[–] leave_it_blank@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

That's why I only buy games on GOG. After purchase I archive the installer, and it's mine forever. On console you are really fucked.

[–] SpaceDuck@feddit.org 23 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, trusting that anything Internet connected keeps working is a pipedream these days unfortunately.

Hardware and software.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 12 points 11 hours ago

I don't even trust non-unlockable bootloaders. There's so much planned obsolescence everywhere