this post was submitted on 06 Jun 2025
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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

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Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 3 points 32 minutes ago

Caltrops would be useful

[–] Eyron@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

ICE is a corrupt agency rotten to the core.

This seems like a lose-lose situation. The vehicle is surrounded by others hitting it. If they get out, the violence will probably escalate, and more will get hurt. If they stay still, the vehicle will continue getting attacked and likely breached: Again, leading to an escalation where more people get hurt. Is there another action they should've taken here that wouldn't have led to more hurt?

In context, it doesn't look much better: The person seems to have purposely gotten in the way and broken up the motorcade.

Critisize the shit they do. This is just no-win noise.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 10 points 54 minutes ago (1 children)

If they didn't want to be treated like Gestapo, they shouldn't have joined the Gestapo

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 1 points 38 minutes ago

I don't think anyone is saying they shouldn't be treated like the Gestapo, just that this is the expected outcome for ANYONE who would find themselves in that situation (trapped in a vehicle, surrounded by an angry mob).

I don't feel bad for the ICE agents, I don't have sympathy for the ICE agents, but standing in front of any vehicle that is trying to flee from a mob is a bit like continuing to grab a snake that's trying to slither away.

[–] oyo@lemm.ee 0 points 11 minutes ago

They could have released their kidnapping victims and then they would be allowed to leave.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 23 points 10 hours ago

This is why they cover their faces and don't wear identifying badges

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 58 points 14 hours ago

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. -- JFK

[–] fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com 66 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It's time to start exercising our 2nd amendment rights

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Been out all day, forgot to get my AR and bed pistol out the safe. Thanks!

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 points 56 minutes ago

In my state, I am supposed to keep my firearm locked away and magazines unfilled. The existence of ICE makes me reluctant to believe in such measures, when the safety of me and my neighbors is in question.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Bed pistol

That's such a distopian concept

The only difference in the threat ICE poses now compared to before is leadership.

Dystopian problems require dystopian solutions

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 14 points 11 hours ago

What's this about protecting citizens?

[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 33 points 14 hours ago

It's a GOOD THING these people are ICE! OTHERWISE that would be a SERIOUS CRIME!