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I am 25(M) and never even touched hand of opposite sex, at this point i am kinda sure that im going to be alone in my life, but i just cant get over it. I am ugly and skinny, and as for recent started going bald. Have some heart issues so no heavy physical work. I have no chance. So i wanted to move on from this state of mind, and just focus on work and hobbies. How can i do so? Do you have any advice you can share?

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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 hours ago

The other comments are solid.

I didn't meet my wife until I was 32. We've been together for 9ish years now and have had one major argument. It has otherwise been amazing and we compliment each other well.

At 25 I wouldn't have even been ready to "settle down" so to say, in fact I probably didn't get there mentally until 28 and still...life is a regular learning thing.

At 28 I had gone on a random smattering of dates that really made me realize what I do and don't like. I had decided I'd be fine being alone as well, which wasn't terrible. I had volunteer opportunities, a good job, and some local meetups I enjoyed.

I say all this to mean, don't give up but also like...the biggest thing for me was to hone what I wanted or didn't want. I am pedantic and picky as fuck, and I had hit a point where I was OK not finding someone but...that was exactly when that person was found.

My advice, you gotta do you, you need to enjoy life first. I don't care if it's a video game or a local pub with a specific dish or a park with a nice view. Figure out that list and then seize it at every turn, then hone it and expand it and sharpen it.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 3 points 8 hours ago

Critique: You have to be comfortable in your own head whether a relationship works out or not. If you have a decent job and are respectful you're already better than a lot of guys. Just as guys vary in how they rate a woman, women vary in how they rate a guy. Physical appearance is pretty low in this and most women are at least willing to give a shot to someone who checks other "boxes" in what theyre looking for. One box of that is not having to be your therapist. Yes, part of a relationship is leaning on each other but sharing the load is different to having to be carried. Another box is not feeling "settled for". It isn't good for either of you as settling makes one person feel like shit and devalue themself while the other yearns for something else.

Going up and talking to girls is already doing a lot better than many guys. However, only being able to converse about your own interests and hobbies makes things difficult. Finding someone who shares the exact same interests is unlikely and unnecessary to getting along. You need to be willing to listen about other things. It seems that due to age and environment you've had trouble finding the right types of people as shallow party girls are far from the only women around but at just 25 I wouldn't give up hope just yet.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 25 points 14 hours ago

Being ugly is nowhere near the most important thing.

  • kind
  • funny
  • respectful
  • dress well
  • fun

You can be mega hot but if you treat people like shit, they're not going to want to have meaningful relationships with you.

If you're constantly a downer that's giving off desperate-needy vibes, that's also going to turn people away.

Also 25 is really young, still.

[–] Signtist@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 10 hours ago

Hey, that was me! Though I'm fat instead of skinny. The reason you can't get over it is because you want and deserve a relationship. I came to the conclusion that if I'm never going to have anyone in my life, I might as well join a dating site just to verify it, and lo and behold, I'm married now at 33.

Get a nice haircut, find some clothes that fit you well, and take some pictures of yourself doing things you like, then spend a few hours putting the effort into making an honest, well-thought-out profile on a dating site. Spend an hour or so every day really looking into potential matches, trying to come up with something to ask them about from their profile as a conversation starter. The more effort you put in, the better your results will be - if you send every girl a "hey," you'll never get a single match.

It'll take a while to get used to chatting with girls, and if you're like me you'll put your foot in your mouth a lot at first, but eventually you'll start getting some dates, and eventually you'll start getting some second dates. I won't say it'll be easy, but I look back on my 25 year old self and think how funny it was that I had nearly given up so young. You've got a lot of life ahead of you, and it's better with company.

Or give up, it's your choice, but I don't think you would have posted this if you really wanted that.

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 11 points 13 hours ago

This sounds far more a mental health thing than a physical appearance thing.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 hours ago

Looks matter less and less as you age. It's far more important to have similar interests, morals, and lifestyle as your romantic partner. I know that's not much consolation in the here-and-now, but rest assured that you will absolutely find a partner someday if that's your goal.

[–] Oka@sopuli.xyz 10 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

One of the most attractive things about a person is being themselves. If you are self-expressive and happy in your own shoes, people will take notice.

[–] RisenPhoenix@lemmy.world -4 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

im sure nobody wants to wake up and see and ugly face beside them, they gonna feel awful seeing me, i dont want to ruin someone happines

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 10 points 14 hours ago

Man, I get you're down and all, but seriously look at random couples like people holding hands in public picss randomly but not necessarily the focus of the shots. People of all types find someone who wants to be with them. The attitude you have is unfortunately very unattractive but if you decide to be (and like) yourself and maybe not focus on the fact you haven't found anyone but are open to meeting new people, it'll probably happen.

You probably need some time to accept yourself who you are, enjoy your life and it'll come out that you have many positive traits. Mean I don't know you so I can't say for 100% but standard attractiveness isn't as big of a deal for many if they find someone they click with. It goes both ways of course, I may have not ended up with a model but I found someone kind, caring, funny and into many similar interests (maybe not all but that's rare too) and we've been quite happy for many years.

In the end South Park sort of said it in the movie, chicks dig confidence (unsure if exact line). Not necessarily the confidence to be a jerk and and act like a douche but knowing yourself and being comfortable with who you are.

[–] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

ugly isn’t nearly as important for guys… but even if you’re quasi moto, you could date an ugly girl….
it’s attitude, bro… just be into stuff, doing stuff, and women will be interested.

[–] RisenPhoenix@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

i tried to chat with kinda ugly girl few years ago, but shes ghosted after few days, im probably not much of a talker, dont know how to talk with opposite sex, and we didnt have much in common

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

dont know how to talk with opposite sex, and we didnt have much in common

Do you know how to talk to the same sex? If so I have a secret for you: it's the exact same thing.

[–] RisenPhoenix@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

well, im actually dont know. I never had a problem talking with males, most of them had some kind of interest we shared, and it was pretty easy to go with converstation, with girls, not so much, most of girls i talked with didnt have same interests or anything i could talk about. In my eyes its easier with boys, but its just me

[–] Capitanmaroon@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

What are your interests? If you already have interests that's a great start. It might be difficult in your area to find women who like the same shit as you, but there will be some. And if you're going out only trying to talk to 'ugly women' as you said, they will get the vibe that you think they're ugly and not wanna talk to you. Every women can just be a friend the same way you have make friends. Start by trying to increase your friend group with both genders and I'm sure you'll find someone you're interested in and who's interested in you.

[–] RisenPhoenix@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Well, i have a degree in computer science, i like a lot stuff about pc, coding. I also like art in general, i even draw sometimes and want to get better at it.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Go to an art group. If you're in a city there's probably several. Stuff like drawing in the park is downright normie of a hobby. You'll get better and find yourself chatting with people who share an interest

[–] RisenPhoenix@lemmy.world 1 points 59 minutes ago

im not that skilled for an art group, maybe sometime in the future, but right now my drawings are childish and its kinda cringe in a way

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I assure you there are plenty of women out there that are into that kind of thing.

But my advice? Focus on the getting better at drawing bit. Hobbies are attractive. Don't forget that. Work on yourself first.

[–] RisenPhoenix@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, but how to find that kind of women? Most of women i tried to approach are into stuff that i dont like. Finding internet groups that like same stuff? I dunno, isnt that creepy when random dude trying to get acquainted through messaging? A lot of female artist i find are already taken or married. Going to some conventions? Im not sure im ready for that kind of stuff as an introvert

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago

That's the hard bit. That's why I emphasize working on yourself and hobbies first. The confidence that comes with that will help.

Don't make the goal finding a partner. Instead be someone people want to be around. If men are easier to talk to try to work yourself up to finding ways to be around more of them and more often.

Some of them will know women. Putting yourself around more will increase the chances of finding yourself around a women that you can find yourself talking to.

All of this is easier said than done but it can be done.

[–] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 12 hours ago

that’s your problem, not being ugly.
here’s how to talk to the opposite sex:
talk to them like just some random guy you’re not thinking about fucking.
if you’re bad at that too, practice striking up conversations with strangers.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Honestly, you're probably overthinking it, which is understandable given the situation. But talking to a person of the opposite sex shouldn't be any different than talking to a person of the same sex when you're befriending and getting to know them. Women are human beings at the end of the day, all there is to it is to really listen, ask follow-up questions, basically just keep the conversation going if you genuinely feel interested in the person.

If not, that's fine, too! You don't have to force anything just for the sake of it. In fact, as bad as it may sound, it's better to call it and go your separate ways rather than force it for yourself or for your interlocutor.

[–] RisenPhoenix@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

you are probably right, but most of the girls i talked with didnt have anything that we could share, so converstations end up pretty quickly, with same sex i found it much easier

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Hmm, try talking about life stuff! Dreams, hopes, fears, past experiences (although I'd recommend avoiding past relationships as a subject, at least for the first couple of months), things like that! Doesn't have to be a shared interest necessarily, anything can be interesting once you get enough details about it!

I once dated a woman who was really into cross stitching. I'm barely functional with a sewing needle, but the more I asked her about techniques, about how she mapped out her designs, how she selected the threads, the more I came to realise just how complex that activity can be! I still suck with a needle, but I have a lot more respect for people who like doing this!

[–] RisenPhoenix@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

its seems nice, but i think this topics will run out pretty fast if you dont share some interests in common, at least it was for me when a person was outgoing, party type, going to concerts and stuff, and im more like a house cat. Yeah i talked with them about it for a bit but i didnt know what to ask about it. At some point i even thought to ask chatgpt what shouldve i asked :D but in my head thats not a very lively conversation

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Honestly, from what I've seen, shared topics don't really matter that much! I've dated people with whom I've had very few shared interests, but we got along well in terms of perspectives, in terms of thinking about things, in terms of values, etc.

It's not as much as the granular minutiae, it's more about the person as a whole. It's about really getting to know them, to understand them. I actually think it's even more interesting when there aren't as many shared interests as long as philosophical aspects are compatible, as there's a lot of new information for me to explore! Plus you never know when you'll learn something you didn't even know would interest you!

And it applies to the other person as well, my most "uncommon" hobbies frequently generate the most questions. For instance, I like Warhammer 40k lore and painting miniatures. I've never once dated someone who was familiar with 40k, but, boy, did they get me talking about it once I started delving into the lore and such!

Enthusiasm and passion are the most potent elements centered around interests, even more than the subject itself!

[–] Capitanmaroon@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

'Crazy' cat ladies are a literal stereotype. If you're a house cat, there's someone out there looking for that vibe

[–] RisenPhoenix@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago

for that vibe - yes, but again im not attractive at all, someone notices me and prly will think about friendship at max. I am not saying friendships are bad - no, they are good if they are genuine, but it's just might be not what i'm looking for, or looked....

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

I have no chance

You need to get out more. It may not improve your image of yourself, but it will lower your image of everyone else by comparison. You're a lot better than you realize. At least mediocre. And so is everyone else so you'll be ok.

[–] shplane@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago

I’m sorry feelings of loneliness have been so hard on you. When I was alone for 15-20 years, I focused as much attention as I could on volunteer work. It was extremely gratifying and helped take my mind off my loneliness. I eventually met my wife at a volunteer event without even thinking she would be the one. Sorry if this is corny, but I think Gandhi said “the only way to find yourself is to lose yourself in service.”

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)
  1. you do not know the future
  2. even if you did, you don't know how it will FEEL when those FACTS play themselves out
  3. it would be somewhat unfriendly of you to place the burden of your mental health onto the shoulders of someone else, no? sort your shit out before you get someone else involved yo!
  4. just by virtue of being here, I can make some assumptions that you are fairly smart, introspective, know stuff about the world and how at least technology works. Have you met the bottom 50% of people... really? They aren't so much out and about, believe me, they hide (or are hidden away by family members). You may have issues - we all do - but you have no idea how much awesomeness you also have along with those, I believe it!

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You do you... nothing that you have said seems insurmountable, to me. With some effort, you really can learn to ~~install Arch Linux~~ talk to girls.

But you don't have to do it today. Maybe define your parameters: take just ONE DAY, better yet a week, and not worry about it. Then, plan to pick it up again (put it on your calendar if you really need that) and spend some time (5 minutes? an entire hour? preferably while doing something that helps make it more tolerable - walk outdoors?) thinking about it. The plan to pick it up later is the secret sauce to being able to put it down TODAY: you can tell yourself that you WILL think about it, but that you just need to be patient and deal at a more opportune time.

Exercise makes virtually anything better btw. Heart issues or no, do what you can stand, maybe even right up to the line of what your body can handle, and while perhaps that same day you may be sore, the next day you will have had the endorphins coursing through you, and breathe better. I never ever want to go exercise, but I am always ALWAYS very glad that I did! :-)

Edit: also a note that if you are in the USA, some of what you feel right now could be related to... (waves hands) all of THAT going on.

[–] RisenPhoenix@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

thank you for kind words, you are right i dont want to burden anyone with my problems, but i just cant get this thoughts from my head... All of my friends already have some experience, and im not, Dont want it to be just experience tho, but most of them saying that those feelings are nothing that i can compare to, so im really curious and jealous of not having that level of intimacy. Im not from US, but my place is not good either, people are gloomy and mostly not friendly

[–] viking@infosec.pub 3 points 14 hours ago

Embrace who you are, as cheesy as it sounds, and turn your quirks into advantages.

Going bald? Who cares, I started balding from 19 years old, and at 21 I had a sizeable spot at the back of my skull that I could touch with one finger without brushing against surrounding hair. Figured I'd rather be bald than looking like a haggard whimp, shaved it the same day and never went back. I'm in my 40s now.

Heavy lifting/physical work: Pumping iron isn't the only way to get a defined and conventionally attractive physique. Look into exercises to build core strength and arm muscles through calisthenics, yoga, plank holds and the likes. Work with a trainer who can give you proper guidance.

Relationships: Not every relationship is built on love. There are transactional relationships just as well, which might be frowned upon in public, but depending on the source, 30-50% of men engage in them regardless. Might work wonders for your self esteem. Of course if you choose to do so, have your local legislation in mind, travel might be required.

As for generally embracing and grounding yourself, guided meditations are pretty neat. Sometimes offered through yoga centers (it's a good combination in general and a relaxing hobby that still works on your physical limitations). I probably wouldn't do either online, having a person to guide you along for the first few times is quite important. You might also run into like minded people there, which can help to foster relationships (looking at platonic here first and foremost, an active friends group really helps to build confidence as well).

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Pour into yourself as you would a genuine lover. Encourage your hobbies, and self care. Tell yourself how special and worthy of love and proper care you are, and that's why you love you and take such good care of you. It will feel awkward at first because we're never taught to do that, and honestly, that's where everything begins and ends.

OP, I glanced at your profile long enough to read your post from a month ago walking away from a girl at the park. I don't know where you are or your cultural norms, but I stand by what I said. Also we are just human beings like you.

[–] RisenPhoenix@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

im trying to, but whole world just keep noticing how lonely i am, when i take a walk i see happy couples on the street, when i driving a car i keep hearing music about love and ect. And all these reminders messes with my thoughts.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 3 points 14 hours ago

I mean you're focused on what you don't have when the universe keeps trying to bring it to you, and you refuse it. It sounds like in some un/conscious way, you feel unworthy. Please find videos on Jung shadow work, the part of ourselves, good, bad, indifferent that we hide from ourselves because we think it's not ok. But it's okay! We all have challenges, things we like about ourselves and things we don't. When we see it, we can address it.

[–] SaneMartigan@aussie.zone 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

25 I was still pretty horny, your hormones are driving some of this urge. I'm not a handsome man by a few standards but I genuinely try to be kind. Pursuing hobbies, being friends with the women I meet and generally being a decent guy got me laid way more than I would've expected as a man your age. Marketing tells you to be tall with a six pack and a shitload of money.

However, you gotta get out there and have some interests that has at least some women in it. Eg my LARP club is about 40% women but my friends warhammer 40k group is 100% men. I do pilates for the exercise and have become friendly with some of the 98% female classes, I'm not there to meet women but I started making idle friendly small talk with the regulars. Good luck mate.

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio -2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Get a whore every once in a while.

[–] unknown@piefed.social 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Sex workers deserve to be spoken about politely and treated respectfully. Work is work.

But yeah, this awful man has a point, OP you need to get laid.

If sex work is legal where you live, find a brothel and see if any of the women there look interesting, book an hour and see where it leads. Once you've actually interacted with a woman and are on your way to figuring yourself out sexually, you're going to start feeling a lot better about yourself OP.

Just talking and cuddling isn't shameful either though, a lot of us (hi, I'm a former sex worker) had at least few bookings a week like that every week, we give good cuddles and are often great listeners. And if you just want to party and blow off steam that way, most girls can probably hook you up, and we're also usually a lot of fun to get high with too.

Seeing a sex worker like buying a single serving friend with benefits, who's up for safe sex and very likely also fantastic lay if you play your cards right. Think of it like therapy and entertainment and practice for the real thing, all rolled into one.

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 1 points 9 hours ago

Yeah. That's what I said.

[–] zeropointone@lemmy.world 0 points 14 hours ago

Choose demanding jobs and hobbies and you find yourself too exhausted to think about topics like that. You need to keep yourself busy, but in a meaningful way. With time your brain will adjust and at some point you won't feel bad about it anymore.