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The biggest win is getting more people involved and comfortable with protesting and non compliance. Today was the largest single day protest in American history and up 40% from No Kings I.
You can't go from zero to prolonged protests over night. Each event needs to build on the last with increased experience and new participation.
Yes you can, but Americans aren't willing.
How come one side apparently MUST remain nonviolent but not the other
Because of propaganda and state power. It’s not a symmetrical conflict.
It certainly isn't
They don't have to, but data shows over and over that non violent ones more often end to being more successful at regime change.
Benefits for the non violent:
We actually have more power than them, they only succeed if we get scared and think there's nothing we can do. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
I've seen many statements to that effect. I have not seen political science studies that support it though.
It's a little more nuanced.
Violent resistance tends to swap one regime for another.
Non-violent resistance tends to create more positive social change.
If the only goal is to get rid of Trump, either one can work. If the goal is to have a brighter future then a revolution with minimal violence is preferable.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2452292924000365
Thank you for the links
Not much history to support it either.
Because there is none. The state always preaches nonviolence to keep us passive and not a threat to the status quo. They want peaceful from us but subject the working class to violence with every action.
Just look how stupid the administration is sending troops to Portland because all of the "violence". If Portland was more violent then they could carry the narrative rather than people dressed up in costumes. People will remember the frogs and the absurdity of the situation.
Basically, if we start shooting, that will result in a military response, and the US military is really good at massacres.
"Give me liberty or give me 40 more years of wage slaving consumerism and hoping my demographic isn't next"
Not sure if you are aware but the military are already responding
They are fucking begging for violence to break out so they can start a massacre. They're doing some heinous shit. It can get infinitely worse.
Has to be better than letting them slowly boil the frogs
What we want is to create a broad understanding of popular support for antifascism so that the military takes the side of the people. A huge public rally is part of that
I'm not calling for violence, none at all, but peaceful protests like these that one day are and the next day aren't are just ignored.
At the very least make it a protest that bever stops. Every day people are on the streets. Block the streets, whatever it takes, within a non violent protest, to get their attention and keep it
Abolitionist movements, women's suffrage movements, and civil rights movements were all successful non-violent resistance movements.
What did violent resistance movements achieve other than getting a bunch of people killed? Oh right sometimes the leaders of violent resistance movements get power and there is the 100% predictable result of putting violent people into power.
On the internet there's always some foreign troll farm whispering "burn down your own capital" in everyone's ears all of the time in every country they don't like. But it's stupid to listen to them, their motives aren't to improve anything for you, they just want to create chaos.
Violent resistances don't accomplish anything. Non-violent resistances have accomplished a lot if you actually study history instead of listening to the troll farms.
What do the studies say on countries free falling into a dictatorship?
Yep, for these things to matter there has to be no end in sight until those that want the change get heard and taken seriously.
Bonus points if they are headed up by sympathetic and visible politicians and/or other public figures. A well spoken orator in the vein of MLK at a podium giving a loud united voice to these sorts of movements are what creates something non-violent that is really hard for those in power or those on the side lines that would otherwise support the movement to sweep it under the rug as a one off.
Some months ago I was giving a coworker shit for not doing much of anything. No protests. No volunteering. No donations. Just works his mid six figure job, plays video games, and dates his works-at-google girlfriend. He admitted maybe he could do more. I said I could nag him the next time a big protest happened. He said sure.
Well, I messaged him with a quote from that conversation. He was like "oh it's Saturday?" And then no further responses until I followed up a day later. He's not going to do anything.
The other guys from that group also don't do anything.
Something about rich white straight (-passing) men comfortably just keeping their heads down and not even doing a half assed minimum bothers me.
But I guess there's nothing to be done. I'll be doing my best.
Get a woman in the group to invite spouses and girlfriends. The men will mostly follow.
A handful will decide they like cybertrucks more than sex
Interesting idea. I know at least one of them is dating a Google employee who, from what I can tell, is rather "apolitical". I don't know about the others, though.
Yes.
Now get out there.
I'll be there tomorrow with the frog guys!
They are empty vessels/pressure release valves provided by the oligarchy to prevent organic protest from rising that would actually threaten their existence.
Actually, they are extremely effective methods to put flyers in hands. It's where people sign up for mutual aid groups or find union advocates
It's a networking event. The protest aspect is just to pump up the energy and set the theme for the event. This is how you turn liberals into leftists, and connect them with local organizations.
I feel like both are true. They are pressure releases that keep fast and dramatic change from occurring and the elites do prefer we do polite protests instead of the guillotines we should be building.
But they are definitely great for turning libs into leftists and networking. They have produced some benefits.
Fuck yeah they do, see you there comrades
They typically lead to more political involvement
Only because people have started to become affected personally by government policies. Many of those who voted for Trump regret are also in No Kings protest.
I'll happily welcome anybody who flips because they recognize how awful Republican policy is. That's important if we are going to have a durable majority
I'd love for protests to have wins, someone teaches what they are.
What i see: politicians fervently getting in photo op moments vs fixing this cluster fuck w living in. I swear every dem wants to get arrested for the gram....while I actually need them to unify on voting agendas.