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And the inescapable logic there means that unless people put their own credible threat of violence on the table, nothing will continue to ever change.

You don't play a rigged poker game, you play the uh, meta-game, around and above it, otherwise, you always lose.

Capitalism does violence via complex bureaucracy, via obscuring and normalizing the system itself, by making it very complicated to try to draw some kind of moral line as to where responsibility for the acts of which actors in a system should lie.

The reality is that the system itself is violence, and that you are guilty to the degree that you partake in and profit from it.

This is why Luigi Mangione is pretty much seen as the modern day Robin Hood.

This is coming before Christmas next year. Many researchers say the auto loan industry right now is worse than both the 2000 and 2008 crashes. So the trump 2026 crash could destroy the entire country if millions of loans are defaulted and the government is broke.

In Australia, that model costs $28k USD brand new!

https://evdealergroup-byd.com.au/configurator/byd-atto-3?postcode=2071&store=380&state=NSW

There are tariffs on Chinese EVs in the EU as well.

And inhumane labor practices and cheap wages.

Its not "picking up our bat and ball and stomping off," it's recognizing that this new "team" is full of ringers who take no issue with cheating to win, who will pay referees to give them favorable calls, and who will only put on a good show for the crowd for as long as it takes to secure 1st place. This team also happens to control the supply of bats and balls and ensures that they get the best of the best at no cost while other teams are getting second rate bats and balls at sky-high prices. Those people talking about "how great the game was" don't see or understand any of this, so their opinions should be disregarded. They didn't witness a real competition, they witnessed something akin to a Harlem Globe Trotters or a WWE match.

You're still framing this as if it's about protecting our companies, but this is protecting our market, our jobs, and our agency as a nation. US companies only make up a small part of all this.

Furthermore, if you look at the situation in China with EVs, they have entire graveyards of practically new EVs rotting away because they're turning the automotive market into yet another segment of cheap, disposable products, which is not only terrible for consumers but also for the environment.

Are you really that desperate to buy a brand new car every year like its the latest iPhone that you'd upend the entire world market and put millions and millions of people out of work not just in the US but in the rest of Asia, Europe, Canada, and Mexico? Do you really think they'll continue the massive subsidies driving their prices so low once all the competition is gone? To get a little conspiratorial, with the design of modern EVs being entirely software controlled with wireless links back to the "mothership", are you willing to hand over control of the nations' entire fleet of vehicles to a single government entity that has demonstrated time and time again that they're willing to use whatever force necessary to maintain complete control and keep everyone in line?

I'm not sure how you can call for the demise of capitalism while defending the worst parts of it here. This "economic velocity" is only good for the capitalists and what China is doing can only be described as capitalism.

The automotive industry employs millions of workers in the US at both domestic and foreign companies, and decimating that industry only to concentrate and centralize it somewhere else in the world is going to put those people out of work as well as creating a domino effect on the economy where all those dollars disappear from circulation. Capitalists will survive that but those workers won't, nor will the places where those workers spend their money currently.

What you're arguing for is essentially an entity like Walmart (China) moving into town and killing all its competitors by making it impossible to compete with them. We can see exactly how that scenario plays out in thousands of cities and towns across the US. Those "low prices" come at a steep cost for everyone involved except the capitalists running the business.

I have no issue with China selling cars here, but I do take issue with them rigging the game in their favor at our expense, which is why I support protection for the entire industry not just for US companies alone.

They own the materials.” Yup, good planning on their part

To expand on this: while yes they have great natural resources here, the more important part is they developed those resources. This is just another consequence of poor planning from everyone else: it’s too expensive, let’s let China do it. There’s another ten years behind due to our own short sightedness

I think they mean lax labor safety. It’s much cheaper to make things if you don’t worry about your workers getting killed or injured at higher rates.

You don't seem to be accounting for the strategic value of the car industry, which is what the person above was talking about.