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movies where teh badguy convinces the goodguy to join them (seeking recommendations) (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by allo@sh.itjust.works to c/movies@lemmy.world

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I just watched kingdom of the planet of the apes where ape guy gets captured by badguy apeking and apeking tries to convince goodape to join apeking empire like muahaha im making greatest empire ever come join. and goodape does the typical 'no i hate u' and blows everything up and shatters empire.

I watched that and was like 'omg im so done with that type of movie'. i want one where the protagonist actually has some ambition themself and responds 'omg yes id love to join empire lets conquer world!'. I am reminded of one of gengis khans greatest generals, who initially was an archer who fought against him and shot his horse in the neck. genghis captured all his enemies and was like 'who dafuq shot my horse?'. and the guy steps forward and is like 'sup. i did. now u could either kill me OR let me lead your dudes and be literally the greatest cavalry general of all time.' He then goes on to be a boss.

I NEED MOVIES LIKE THIS.

Not movies where sad ape mad at ambitious ape for conquering world so he wrecks ambitious ape's plans and returns apes of empire to their tribes. I need movie where the captured ape like 'Yes! now watch me unleash my strategic genius using your massive forces! i wasnt able to shine as some no name fisher working for a no name tribe.'

Im not in to horror movies, but i liked the first Silent Hill because it was almost this.

any suggestions plz? also i appreciate them but its hard for me to watch anything from before 2000s or anything where every main character is male.

edit: also the first Watchmen almost comes to mind where teh badguy kills billions of people then convinces the all powerful goodguy to agree with him. isnt quite it, since there are many protagonists that dont join, but its close

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[–] rozodru@pie.andmc.ca 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Revenge of the Sith? I mean that kinda fits. Bad Guy convinces Good Guy to join him to build an Empire.

[–] allo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

actually ya wow that's a very good fit

[–] Skanky@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Fight Club? In a weird sorta way I guess.

[–] impudentmortal@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Without trying to spoil too much, these movies (loosely) fit your request:

The Dark Knight
The Godfather
Lord of the Rings

The trope you're looking for is either Fallen Heroes or Corrupting Influences. TVTropes and this Fandom wiki are good sources.

[–] allo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

great fandom wiki link thank you so much! exactly what i needed tbh

[–] impudentmortal@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

No problem! Try not to fall too far down trope rabbit holes. It's a fun and addicting thing to look up.

[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacombe,_Lucien

Lucien isn't the "good guy" ... he is a teenager that tries to join but is rebuffed by the French Resistance during WW2 in France. His future is then under the influence by the Vichy regime, NAZIs, and NAZI sympathizers.

It is difficult movie to watch for me. But it speaks to some part of your request.

[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Can't think of any like you're saying, probably because if that were to happen then there are no more antagonists in the story, so it would be kind of boring.

There are of course stories where you think someone is the antagonist, but it turns out they aren't. They usually end up joining the protagonist, so that doesn't really fit your requirements.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 2 points 2 days ago

Attack on Titan (anime series) fits, kinda, though not literally.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Cabin in the Woods. The less I tell you, the better.