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All this and more can be possible with a switch from the First Past the Post voting system many states use. No spoiler effect, no hands tied, just a arena of policies and ideas.

Some states have already made the switch, why not yours yet?

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[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Meanwhile I got a letter from the police today telling me to clean up my yard or else... Apparently having a slightly unkempt lawn is a criminal offense now

[–] ChihuahuaOfDoom@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

That's why I live in the middle of nowhere, I could start my own junkyard and no one would say anything.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is why we should defund the police. Cops shouldn't need to be engaged for trivial shit. They shouldn't have that much free time.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks. Fixed. Autocorrect is clearly fascist

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The AI overlords have revealed themselves

[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's from the city not the police I'm betting.

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It literally said "(my city) Police Department" on the envelope and the letter inside

[–] peteypete420@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago

To fuck around is human. To find out is divine.

-Gritty

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Some states have already made the switch, why not yours yet?

Careful, because some states are switching back from ranked choice, because it does not eliminate the spoiler effect or strategic voting against your interest. STAR voting actually achieves those goals, but just promoting it fractures the movement and creates confusion.

We all know that our current system sucks. But what we replace it with matters, and we should be specific.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For anyone else OOTL STAR Voting

I see how this is better than RCV but I'm wondering how it works out if the majority of voters only rank a single candidate.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It works exactly like that, and their vote still counts. They pick one candidate, and give them all the stars. Every other candidate gets no votes and no stars.

The biggest advantage is that nobody's vote is exhausted, and you can put two candidates on equal ratings if you really don't care which one wins. Ranked choice, you vote might be thrown out entirely after the first round because of math.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand that, I'm thinking about a few different scenarios. Say that one party votes overwhelmingly for the same 2 candidates in the 4/5 Star category, a different group majority votes for one of the previous 2 candidates and another candidate, and a third group largely only votes for 1 candidate.

The scenario I'm thinking of would make the first 2 candidates mentioned the finalists, however if the third group has a preference for one of the other candidates and voted them as a second choice it could significantly change the outcome.

I highly support anything that moves away from a 2 party system. It just seems any change would benefit the informed voter more than the emotional voter.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

That's the beauty of the STAR system. The third group of voters still matter, even if their preferred choice is eliminated. Candidates have to speak to all voters, and serve more than just their base.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Careful, because some states are switching back from ranked choice,

... all two of them that actually have it? Which one is switching back?

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

A lot of states have local and municipal elections that use RCV, and it occasionally works out that the process allows a spoiler or tactical voting scenario which is giving credence to the people who oppose any change because they benefit from the status quo.

Oakland and San Francisco in California have had issues. Burlington, Vermont had that one disaster of a mayoral race in 2009 that caused a repeal, but now they are back to it.

North Carolina and Florida are both fighting any election reform efforts, but we know why that is.

There are a lot of states besides Maine, though. Alaska, Maryland, Colorado, Arizona, they all have some form of RCV to varying degrees of success.

And there isn't anybody having a problem with it anywhere that couldn't be improved by switching to STAR voting. It's just better in every single way.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Punk rock is the new punk rock.

[–] avater@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Shoot guns responsibly.

[–] bi_tux@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

2A and ACAB is like bread and butter

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 4 points 1 year ago

Yeah, one's no good without the other.

[–] Yamainwitch@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Strap in babes, time for some good trouble! ✊

[–] neonred@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Shoot guns, defund the police?